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  •  the Subaru vs the Ford (4.00)
    They're both wagons with decent clearance, but the Outback is much more plush, with the heated seats and all, lol. It's also a MUCH heavier vehicle which is good and bad -- very safe car, but gas mileage leaves something to be desired.

    The Focus wagon is also a nice car, upside is you can get a nicely upfitted one (the ZTW model) with leather seats and a moon roof much cheaper than an Outback. It's also scored well on crash tests, and is definitely cheaper to maintain than the Subaru. The Focus still feels spartan in comparison, but it is eons better than the Escort or Tracer series.

    I previously had a 1988 Mercury Tracer hatch that lasted 13 years, so I cannot say that Ford actually sucks, quality-wise. Car previous to the Tracer was a 1973 Ford Pinto (non-expoding wagon), which WAS a piece of sh*t.

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    •  as a life-long tinkerer... (none)
      with automobiles, who cut his teeth fixing fifties era American Iron, I can say that, in general, modern automotive tech is far, far superior to the old stuff. Runs better, stays fixed longer, safer to drive and far more roadworthy.  With proper maintenance, most cars will last twice as long as they used to, if not more.  Maintenance is everything.

      don't always believe what you think

      by claude on Sat Dec 25, 2004 at 07:25:56 AM PST

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      •  True (none)
        When I got my drivers' license in the 50's we were lucky to get 10,000 miles to a set of tires. But I still miss my 1968 Dodge Dart convertible. Most reliable car I've ever owned. But you are correct. Maintenance is everything - once you start with a well-designed and assembled car in the first place.
      •  In point of fact (none)
        I had a `92 Dodge Caravan. It was nine years old before it even started showing its age, and was still running reliable (though somewhat nosily) when I finally replaced it. A few major systems had to have been replaced over the years, but once fixed, they stayed fixed.

        Even in that car's final days it still was getting 20 mpg, city driving. My new car, a
        `97 Ford Winstar doesn't get that much.

        "These are the commanders who have deserted their troops. And there is no more serious crime in the laws of war"
        -John Kerry, 1971

        by Goldfish on Sat Dec 25, 2004 at 06:11:17 PM PST

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        •  Volvos (none)
          are utterly ace. i've been driving used ones for over 25 years on NM roads,  close to 750k miles. Still with the rear-wheel-drive models. i'm pretty mechanically inclined so I've really gotten to know the machinery and how well it's put together, but for years all my major work has been done by one very reliable shop.  I have all the records.

          I typically get a 10-12 year old car with just under 100k miles on it, from the original owner in well maintained condition, for 2000-2500 bucks. I keep it up and get another 150-250k miles at an average cost of under ten cents a mile. That's the cost of the car plus the cost of the repairs. All the other stuff (gas, oil, tires batteries, insurance) is a constant with any car, except a new one, where the insurance is much higher.  

          The turbos cost a little more to keep up, but they go like a bat out of hell and have stability and road manners worthy of flat-out autobahn driving, which is what they are built for. For under 15 cents a mile.

          The trick, of course, is knowing enough about the car, paying enough attention to be able to tell the mechanic what's wrong when you do have to bring it in. Sticking with the same basic car over time, especially given that Volvo stretches the use of parts out over 10-20 years of models, and the models don't change much, means your accumulated knowledge of how they work and how they sound and feel when something is wearing out really pays off.

          They really do go all-out to build the best car they can, compromising almost nothing. You can buy a slightly better car, for a lot more money.  Best automotive value on the road.

          Volvos are not built on an assembly line. Each car is completely assembled by one crew, one car at a time, and the crew has responsibility for the finished assembly.

          Fortunately for us pobres, the people who buy these cars new sell them much too soon, just when the quality of the car begins to really pay off, it being paid for and likely to keep running for 200k more miles.  So I can drive a fine piece of well-engineered machinery on the cheap.

          don't always believe what you think

          by claude on Sun Dec 26, 2004 at 12:12:01 AM PST

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    •  Love Fords.... (none)
      My 94 Ford Ranger has 418,000 miles on original motor. My 2000 Ford Mustang has 58,000 and kicks ass. I am glad to see they are at least gay friendly, because I read they contribute alot of money to the GOP, and I want to keep buying their products.

      I am a stright white mlae who drives a pony car, and yet freepers will always call me a fudge packer when they find out I am a Democrat. I have found that most people choose insults they are afraid of. Meaning, I believe most freepers who toss around the phrase "fudge packer" have some little urges they are trying to suppress. They last freeper to call me "fudge packer" was a former Eastern Airlines flight attendant who has not had a job since they went under. If you want to talk stereotype.... Of course now he is a part-time model ( real crappy cataloge and stock shots) while his wife supports him- personal responsibilty!

      Signature Impaired.

      by gttim on Sat Dec 25, 2004 at 08:23:54 AM PST

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    •  OMG!!!!!!! I can't believe it! (none)
      I have a 1988 Mercury Tracer Hatchback also and it just won't die.  So far I've logged 268,000+ miles.  All good things must come to an end though.  I've finally worn out my wheel spindle that is chewing up my wheel bearings about every six months or so.  Ford doesn't make the spindle part anymore to replace it.

      I've considered the cost of finding a salvage part but with all of the SUV's on the road these days I'm getting increasingly concerned about my safety.  So, I'm thinking of getting a new car with side air bags.  As much as I would like to get a Subaru, based on many recommendations, I can't justify a purchase given its mediocre fuel efficiency on top of the high price tag.

      SUBARU, when are  you going to deliver a more fuel conservative version of  your fabulous car??

      I'm a blue drop in a red bucket.

      by blue drop on Sat Dec 25, 2004 at 01:03:43 PM PST

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