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  •  There have been a run of them lately... (6+ / 0-)

    There have been several anti-gun rants posted over the last week or so, largely based on complete misunderstandings of new laws or proposed new laws.

    •  Education, education, education . . . (6+ / 0-)

      . . . it's a good liberal value.  ;)

      Read or *listen to* my SF novel for free. (-7.13/-7.33)

      by Shadan7 on Tue Feb 09, 2010 at 08:28:50 AM PST

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      •  yeah. (6+ / 0-)

        most typical lack of knowledge is about "semi-auto" vs "full-auto" and folks thinking you can run on down to WalMart and buy a machine gun.  Not to mention the "assault weapon" silliness.

        don't always believe what you think...

        by claude on Tue Feb 09, 2010 at 08:41:03 AM PST

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      •  I once got into it with a newscaster... (5+ / 0-)

        here.  A couple years ago, the Attorney General of WI issued concelaed carry permits to retired Special Investigators for the AG's office.  These people are the highest level LEOs in the state, basically lawyers with guns that serve at the pleasure of the AG.  They work high profile crimes, crimes where there are intra-jurisdictional issues, they coordinate with the Feds on big investigations, and they police the police.  If there are any allegations of police wrongdoing, they investigate the cops.  

        WI doesn't have a concealed carry law on the books, but the AG issued the permits to his retired agents under the auspices of the Federal Safe Passage act which states that LEOs, either current or retired, were allowed to concealed carry in any state as long as they had permission from the head of their organization.  

        The AG was granting these permits to retired agents since they worked high profile crimes against high profile criminals (Mafia, drug cartels, etc), and even when you're retired, you never know who you're gonna run into in the grocery store parking lot one day. (one of the worst nightmares for a cop is running into a baddie you put in the can for 10 years in a public place, he recognizes you, he's pissed at you, and you don't have a badge or piece)

        Anyway, the local newscaster was calling for the AG's head on a pike since he was "issuing conceled carry permits illegally..."   I had to call him up on the radio and tell him that:

        1.  these were agents retired from the state's foremost police agency, and are probably on quite a lot of people's shit lists, and this was for their protection
        1.  It's not illegal under federal law.  

        He fought me on it.  There's just such a knee-jerk reaction to guns and concealed carry, and no amount of logic will ever break though.  One reason I try to avoid such arguments in the first place.    

        •  The lack of a CPL in Wisconsin (4+ / 0-)

          is one of the major reasons why I don't move there.

          We need another Huey P. Long and federal funding for abortion. -9.00, -4.05

          by KVoimakas on Tue Feb 09, 2010 at 08:45:11 AM PST

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          •  I love this state... (5+ / 0-)

            ...except for that one fact.  I know people who have been stalked by ex-boyfriends with violent assaultive records as long as they are tall, and these women aren't allowed to carry anything but pepper spray.  

            In Madison, there was a student at UW that was murdered.  SHe called 911, and nobody came.  Someone later found her dead, and almost 2 years later, her killer has not been found.  It's pretty much a cold case.   I'm not saying that she'd be alive if she had a gun or a CCP, but if she had the opportunity to carry one, she might.

            We came close twice.  THe first time, the legislature failed to override the governor's veto by two votes.  THe second time, they had enough votes to override the veto, but at the last minute, someone was bribed, threatened or blackmailed into changing his mind and the veto override failed by one vote.

            Here's some interesting Wisconsin law for you:

            1.  It is illegal to "go concealed" with a firearm.  Your gun must be in plain view.
            1.  In order to legally transport your gun in a car, it must be in a locked container.  In other words, it must be concealed.    

            These two laws have no provision for the other.  ie:  Law one doesn't say "Concealed carry is illegal, unless you are acting in compliance with law #2."

            I was once told by a prosecutor that, in his interpretation of these two laws, the only way to legally transport a firearm by car in Wisconsin is to have it in a locked glass box duct taped to the outside of your car.   LOL

            Another interesting fact:  to "go concealed" doesn't mean to "go" anywhere.  People have been arrested for having "concealed weapons" in their own damn house or places of business.

            There was a WI Supreme court case called State v. Hamdan where Mr. Hamdan, a convenience store owner in a high crime area in Milwaukee, was arrested and charged with concealed carry violation in his own store.  The Supremes later ruled that there is a certain "threshold" of where concealed carry is not only a right, but the right thing to do.  FOr instance, if you have kids in your house, you clearly want your guns concealed so they don't get access to them unsupervised.   The Supreme Court stated that the legislature should clarify the law, but it's never been done.   Funny thing, the majority opinion of the court was that WI shoud revisit passing a concealed carry law.   LOL    


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