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  •  There's A Lot Of Reform. (3+ / 0-)
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    coral, mmacdDE, ban nock

    It's not just subsidies.  Yes, most people are still going to be stuck in the private sector, and yes there's going to be a lot of federal money going into it.  

    But, there are a lot of really really substantial reforms to how those companies are allowed to operate.  Not just initially and written directly into the bill, but later on when the exchanges are up and running, there will be some even better ways that we can make them change how they do business.  

    •  I've yet to be convinced.... (2+ / 0-)
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      allie123, CMYK

      ...that any of the other reforms have any teeth.

      Sorry, but the one argument for the bill that makes any sense to me is that it provides nearly a trillion dollars to help poor folks get insurance...and also subsidizes community health centers.

      Since our political system is clearly unwilling to reform the status quo, we might as well give more people access to the deck chairs aboard our healthcare Titanic.

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      by GreenSooner on Tue Dec 29, 2009 at 07:57:00 AM PST

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      •  Overall, it is similar to what Canadians now have (2+ / 0-)
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        mmacdDE, zizi

        All in all, this seems comparable to Canadian medicare -- In the US, you would be paying an insurance company premium while in Canada we are paying for our health care through our income taxes.  I pay hundreds of dollars a month in income tax which basically is used to support our health care system.
        Overall, the amounts seem to be similar.  
        Many Canadian workplaces also have group health care plans that cover things like dental care and eyeglasses, and I think these are considered as a "taxable benefit" by our income tax system (ie, my income taxes are higher because I have such a plan) so again this would be comparable to what the US is introducing.
        Its basically the way the rest of the world does it.

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        by CathiefromCanada on Tue Dec 29, 2009 at 09:44:41 AM PST

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        •  not at all like what Canada has (0+ / 0-)

          I agree with you that we have 'socialization' through the insurance corporations rather than through the government with this, although we still have a hybrid system.

          What Canada has, however, that we absolutely do not have is a system which allows for cost containment, whether by negotiating drug prices (which, thanks to the White House, is specifically not part of either bill) and by limiting access to elective procedures when paid for by the government. What the Canadian system also has, that the US system desperately needs, is more focus on primary care and reduced utilization of expensive specialty services.

          Until we deal with those issues (and more than a few others, may I add) we will never have true reform and the costs will eat us alive. Independent of any insurance issues.

          Diversity may be the hardest thing for a society to live with, and perhaps the most dangerous thing for a society to be without - W S Coffin

          by stitchmd on Wed Dec 30, 2009 at 04:47:17 AM PST

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