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  •  2BR/1200/month? (1+ / 0-)
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    If such things were available there'd be lines around the corner for them.

    The truth is we're not just counseling families of 4 (or five or six, for that matter) into 1200/month 2BRs, we're also counseling them to move to a low-cost area where they will have no ability to earn an income.

    We need to have a grown-up conversation about how people at different incomes can/should live.  A family making $80k in NYC will not have a 1200/month housing option.  Doesn't exist.

    •  What I simply did was look to clear an extra (1+ / 0-)
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      $7k so the family could afford the insurance.

      I did that by subtracting $7k for insurance from the costs of owning a $150k house (also not available in NYC), and that's how I got to the $1200 a month rent.

      I agree with you, by the way.

      Maybe the family of four can all live in a studio apartment?

      They do it in Japan, no?

      There are two kinds of people in this world. The kind who divide the world into two kinds of people, and the kind who don't.

      by upstate NY on Tue Dec 29, 2009 at 09:16:30 AM PST

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      •  You're Making These Numbers Up. (0+ / 0-)

        That's the basic issue here.  

        Moverover, you're still ignoring the fact that we know for a fact how many people making that much money are currently able to afford insurance.  And it's almost all of them.  If insurance is unaffordable for people making that much money, why do almost all of them have it?  

        And given that almost all of them currently have it, why would giving them and those who don't have it subsidies to reduce the cost be a bad thing?

        •  You're a troll (0+ / 0-)

          Because you keep accusing me of making things up without refuting ANY of those numbers ONCE.

          Put up or shut up, if you have anything to back up your points whatsover.

          There are two kinds of people in this world. The kind who divide the world into two kinds of people, and the kind who don't.

          by upstate NY on Tue Dec 29, 2009 at 09:41:05 AM PST

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        •  I also see you totally ignored my previous post (1+ / 0-)
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          above relating to Oneonta.

          How convenient. You're dodging.

          There are two kinds of people in this world. The kind who divide the world into two kinds of people, and the kind who don't.

          by upstate NY on Tue Dec 29, 2009 at 09:42:21 AM PST

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          •  I Got Tired... (0+ / 0-)

            Of trying to play games with your cherry picked numbers, so I got back down to the bottom line.  Which for me, is that almost everyone making the kind of money you're talking about already can afford insurance, the senate bill will reduce their costs, and make it more affordable for that sliver of people who aren't able to afford it at present.  

            You want to get into a pissing match over exact household budgets in a particular state, I'll pass.

            •  And yet not once did you challenge a single (1+ / 0-)
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              one of my numbers.

              This means you have no credibility.

              You challenged my housing numbers, I said property taxes were high, and you said you had family in Oneonta so you know how high they are.

              That means you were totally untruthful when you said my numbers were bullshit. If you know about property taxes in Oneonta, then why in the world would you say my numbers were bullshit?

              There are two kinds of people in this world. The kind who divide the world into two kinds of people, and the kind who don't.

              by upstate NY on Tue Dec 29, 2009 at 09:55:11 AM PST

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