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  •  Fairly Simple... (0+ / 0-)

    I'm saying that right now (or rather, last year), the average cost an insurance plan offered by an employer was 14k, and that the average employee paid 4k for it.

    You claimed that families couldn't afford that much, and I showed that was clearly wrong.  

    •  I never claimed such a thing anywhere in my posts (0+ / 0-)

      You excel at making stuff up.

      Clearly--and the evidence is there for ALL to see--I was addressing the self-employed or employeesn of small business without health insurance.

      You just make stuff up.

      There are two kinds of people in this world. The kind who divide the world into two kinds of people, and the kind who don't.

      by upstate NY on Tue Dec 29, 2009 at 10:41:06 AM PST

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      •  Yeah You Did. (0+ / 0-)

        You imagine a family of 4 making 45k or 55k or 70k has $4k or $4.8k or $7k respectively to spend on health care. They don't.

        Once again- virtually everyone making the kind of money you're talking about has insurance right now and is paying for it, inspite of the fact that you claim it's impossible for them to do so.

        Your totally made up budget is belied by the facts of who is and isn't insured in this country.

        •  No you're wrong again (1+ / 0-)
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          You make a habit of it. I did not address anyone getting insurance through their employer, which is what you're doing.

          Your stats are phony baloney because they take the avg. of what each worker is paying into employee health insurance, and yet we know that lots of people earn a huge amount of money and can afford that $4k.

          If you totally wiped out the salaries of people who do not work for companies that provide insurance from the average wage, the average wage would skyrocket. You'd completely eliminate people that work at McDonald's from figuring into the average American wage.

          This is why the numbers are phony.

          As for my totally made up budget, you can't challenge a single # there, even though you called my housing # bullshit and then said that you know all about property taxes in NY state, which effectively means you ADMIT that my housing numbers are correct, and yet you called them bullshit.

          I call bullshit on you.

          There are two kinds of people in this world. The kind who divide the world into two kinds of people, and the kind who don't.

          by upstate NY on Tue Dec 29, 2009 at 10:57:29 AM PST

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          •  So... (0+ / 0-)

            Do you deny that 90%+ of people in that income bracket have insurance?  Do you believe they pay no premiums, that all of their employers pay all of the costs themselves?

            I certainly hope not.  Most people around here could quickly correct that assumption.  Workers in that income bracket are paying premiums, they're significant, and they're going to go down after the subsidies kick in.  These same subsidies will make the insurance affordable, or at least more affordable, for those in the remaining 10% who aren't able to afford coverage.

    •  Again... (0+ / 0-)

      Not once did you challenge a single one of my numbers.

      This means you have no credibility.

      You challenged my housing numbers, I said property taxes were high, and you said you had family in Oneonta so you know how high they are.

      That means you were totally untruthful when you said my numbers were bullshit. If you know about property taxes in Oneonta, then why in the world would you say my numbers were bullshit?

      There are two kinds of people in this world. The kind who divide the world into two kinds of people, and the kind who don't.

      by upstate NY on Tue Dec 29, 2009 at 10:42:02 AM PST

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