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  •  Nothing is wrong with it (1+ / 0-)
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    Sun dog

    but it's not sufficient.  Some members of the electorate will be moved only by what they'd regard as a record of positive accomplishment.

    •  from my comment above (1+ / 0-)
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      The policy has to be there but so does the fight.

      And based on past experience, I'd say the fight is the more crucial element.  Ask Jimmy Carter, Walter Mondale, Michael Dukakis or Al Gore.  They all lost to candidates who were far worse on policy in just about every way.  We can't keep forgetting, cycle after cycle, just how banal the electorate can be.  We need to consciously offer candidates who we know have better policy ideas than the opposition but can also win the bullshit popularity contest on the teevee machine.  It's really the only responsible course.  Just wishing that we had pure policy debates to select candidates won't make it so.  

      2010. Time to win some more.

      by Sun dog on Mon Jan 04, 2010 at 08:46:51 AM PST

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      •  Of course fight is the most important thing. (1+ / 0-)
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        Too many Americans understand or are moved by little that can't be reduced to a metaphor of violence.

        But of course one has to fight on two fronts: one's positives as well as the other's negatives.

        Strangely, I don't think we disagree, and are largely engaged in talking past each other.

        •  it's a case of losing focus (1+ / 0-)
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          yes Dem's have a message, the problem is the Republicans do too, it's message is don't vote Dem.

          Dems need to refocus on their populist platform ideas, namely how voting for them helps those in the lower and middle class with better representation, level playing fields and opportunities in finance, education and jobs. You talk to them about making it easier to educate their kids, buying a better home and getting a better job, joe average will gladly listen to you and vote with his pocketbook.

          They need to step away from the pulpit and the flag, because guess what, that's what the Republicans have wrappened themselves in and unwrapping that combination gets you lost in the character debate and they win those contests because they throw the most mud and have experience in doing so.

          I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused

          by piratedan on Mon Jan 04, 2010 at 09:13:05 AM PST

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          •  Different candidates have different strengths (0+ / 0-)

            Some can emphasize the positive more because it suits their character and personality, like Obama.  He ran up negatives on his opponents, often, just by coming off as being nicer than they.  And so people tried to paint him as not enough of a fighter and suddenly he'd be thumping his opponent on their biggest points.  

            His campaign would be a beautiful template of how to win if you could count on candidates with as much charm and personal appeal as he brought.  But you can't.  So the balance has to be made up in certain ways.  You've got to win the policy argument as the basis for everything else but then you've got to have the everything else.  People have to simply like you more than the other guy.  

            Soon, the party leaders of all striped need to start re-directing their fire.   Like, outward.  Once the HCR bill is signed, we've really got to move on.  People like Howard Dean should start turning the debate sharply outward to the failed ideas of the gopers and how they are still thwarting progress.  How they will continue to hurt the country.  We can win the meta argument on the big ideas because we're right.  Doing that would float all boats for Democratic candidates across the country and give more of them a fighting chance.  By summer, we've got to change the narrative.  

            2010. Time to win some more.

            by Sun dog on Mon Jan 04, 2010 at 09:26:31 AM PST

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        •  Not past each other (0+ / 0-)

          I hear you fine.  And I think we do mostly agree on this.  Even if we don't agree entirely on the scope of it, I heard you here.  :)

          2010. Time to win some more.

          by Sun dog on Mon Jan 04, 2010 at 09:15:08 AM PST

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