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  •  That's been the conundrum for me. (4+ / 0-)

    In order to make storage safe enough to protect children (& others); a gun is necessarily inconvenient for "home defense" in a crisis situation.

    •  It depends actually. (5+ / 0-)

      One of my fellow firearm instructors has a pistol vault that sits within reach when he's sleeping. It's biometric with a keypad backup (and a KEY backup to that) so he can actually get the firearm out in about 3 seconds from wakefulness. He also is the only one who knows the key combo and (of course) has his fingerprints. I'm not sure what he did with the physical key.

      We need another Huey P. Long and federal funding for abortion. -9.00, -4.05

      by KVoimakas on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 06:15:35 AM PST

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      •  Sounds prohibitively expensive for most (2+ / 0-)
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        Not being in the fraternity of gun ownership, it's been my belief that it's never a good (i.e. safe) idea to leave a gun loaded in the home.  A person with more training and experience may be more comfortable with that.  

        The common safety solution I've seen promoted has been trigger locks.  So then you need to find your key in the dark, even if the gun is already loaded.  Probably okay for an intruder on another floor, but hardly a solution for needing it "now".

        The "3 seconds from wakefulness" aspect is another aspect that gives me pause.  The biometric lock doesn't know if you're awake or not.  It'll just as easily give the gun to someone half asleep whose kid is getting a glass of milk downstairs.  That shit scares me.

        •  I don't like trigger locks. (8+ / 0-)

          I don't like something being inside the trigger guard and I don't like something that requires a key.

          A loaded gun + trigger lock = horribly bad idea.

          We need another Huey P. Long and federal funding for abortion. -9.00, -4.05

          by KVoimakas on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 06:30:21 AM PST

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        •  you're wide awake... (9+ / 0-)

          ...when your hand picks up the gun.

          We don't have kids, but there have been a few occasions when a startling, unexplained noise woke us up, and we couldn't explain it away. By the time I had a firearm in my hand, I was wide awake... and it took a few hours to get back to sleep afterward.

          The keypad safes are inexpensive -- about $100 -- and many models have another useful feature: a red light comes on and stays on if someone enters the wrong combination. That way, you'd know if your 7-year-old is trying to open it when you're not looking.

          "She's petite, extremely beautiful, and heavily armed." -1995 documentary Canadian Bacon

          by Tom Seaview on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 06:33:58 AM PST

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        •  In a retention holster, on your body. (5+ / 0-)

          Quite secure, unless your children have been trained by the CIA or Delta...

          •  my retention holsters (pic) (2+ / 0-)
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            When I started to carry concealed, I was not entirely certain that my guns were 100% concealed... and I wanted to carry my Glock 20, especially after I was trained to draw it smoothly and shoot it accurately.
            My Don Hume Just-In-Time Slide holster was comfortable, but "concealment" was accomplished by a covering garment. Raising my arm, or walking in a stiff wind, threatened to expose my firearm.
            I read about the Safepacker holster, and ordered one for my big Glock.

            The Safepacker conceals my loaded Glock and a spare magazine in a surprisingly low-key package, hiding it in plain sight. The enclosed gun is 100% concealed, and it can be worn securely and comfortably without attracting attention. I can remove the Safepacker from my belt, carry it in my hand, and lock it in the trunk of my car without displaying the firearm to anyone, even when I'm in a crowd of people.
            I liked my 10mm Glock 20 so much that I bought its little brother, the Glock 29. The 10mm ammo can be exchanged between them, and the larger magazines can be used in the smaller gun without modification.
            Naturally, I bought another (smaller) Safepacker, which turns out to be the one I wear most days.
            Both (full) Safepackers are pictured below... Glock 29 on the left, Glock 20 on the right:
            hidden in plain shgit
            In all the years I've been wearing the Safepackers, exactly one person -- a first-time customer -- asked me what was in the bag.
            I told him, and I offered to leave if he was uncomfortable with it. He declined, and he's still a good customer.

            "She's petite, extremely beautiful, and heavily armed." -1995 documentary Canadian Bacon

            by Tom Seaview on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 06:45:19 PM PST

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      •  a pistol vault (1+ / 0-)
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        I keep mine propped open w/ my Wallet.
        Quick access = already open.
        I might leave the hse w/o my keys...but never my wallet.

        even the Devil slaves for the fortunate

        by OMwordTHRUdaFOG on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 10:56:31 AM PST

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