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  •  And the sheep just stayed there to be killed? (9+ / 0-)

    Story full of holes and nonsense and if this is the sceond claim - well, well, well.

    Understanding is a two-way street. Eleanor Roosevelt

    by mayrose on Mon Jan 04, 2010 at 07:10:41 PM PST

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    •  No one else has mentioned the comments... (18+ / 0-)

      and they show this to actually be quite a controversial claim.  In another amazing coincidence this

      U.S. District Judge Donald Molloy has scheduled a hearing Monday in Missoula in a request by animal rights and wildlife groups to halt planned wolf hunts in Montana and Idaho while a lawsuit is pending seeking to restore federal protections for the wolves in those states.

      seems to have been happening at the same time.  I don't have to think very hard to think that it is an extremely convenient time for rogue wolves to kill 120 sheep.

      This makes about as much sense as Mike Huckabee on mescaline. - Prodigal 2-6-2008

      by Tonedevil on Mon Jan 04, 2010 at 07:17:10 PM PST

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    •  Well, they ARE sheep. n/t (3+ / 0-)

      The great tragedy of Science, the slaying of a beautiful hypothesis by an ugly fact. T. H. Huxley

      by realalaskan on Mon Jan 04, 2010 at 07:54:07 PM PST

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      •  And given (1+ / 0-)
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        that sheep ARE sheep, any intelligent rancher in predator country takes efforts to protect them: put them in a safe corral over night, post guards, have livestock-guardian dogs.  If you live in predator country and DON'T take measures, then you aren't making a living off your sheep, or you're making more from the predator compensation fund than you would from the sheep itself.  At $350 a sheep, the latter's almost certainly the case -- a good sheepskin doesn't net more than than $150 if you sell it yourself at a fair rather than to a wholesale jobber, and the meat won't bring in more than $50.  Shearing fleece is work; American ranchers mostly aren't in the wool business.

        If I was administering the fund and that guy came around a third time for payoffs, I'd tell him that the fund wasn't meant as a substitute for actually doing his job.

        •  Where Are You From? (3+ / 0-)
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          People in this area have ranches spread out over thousands of acres.  This guy has at least 3000.  You can't herd your animals up into a corral each night.  That's an all week affair some places.

          •  Makedonia (0+ / 0-)

            Yeah, I've heard about the ridiculous numbers of animals they keep out there, which is why they've started investing in OUR old sheepdogs.  Five hundred to a thousand is still wall-to-wall sheep come lambing time; obviously these guys aren't actually taking CARE of their animals at all. Low-investment management is going to mean higher losses -- it's the modern, throw-it-away, mass-production method, and sorry if I think it's a friggin' waste.  Not to mention quite hard on land and soil, and gods know, OUR methods were enough to deforest the entire Balkan peninsula.

        •  no one guards sheep (1+ / 0-)
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          Shepherds are something from the past. Man wiped out big predators years ago almost everywhere and ever since we just put the sheep out in a field and check them every couple of days. That is really the only way you can make any money raising sheep. (not saying this is good just pointing out the reality of the situation)

          That said the idea that a couple of wolves would kill so many sheep does sound more like fraud than reality. The other alternative is a pack of feral dogs but you don't get compensated for that so everyone just claims it is wolves.

          •  Not that long ago, Basque herders (1+ / 0-)
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            were guarding sheep on huge tracts of land in Idaho and Colorado, out in the wilderness with a rifle, a dog, and a wagon for shelter.

            I'm not sure if this is still the situation, but this was in the 70s and it was common practice.

            •  And in the Balkans (1+ / 0-)
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              Where thousands of acres of virtually free land and free pasturage on public lands are unknown, they still do it the old way.  Lower profits overall, but actually higher profit per animal and acre -- like intensive organic farming/horticulture as opposed to mechanical agriculture.  The only thing modern methods use efficiently is HUMAN labor.  Everything else, is wasted in spades.

    •  EXACTLY! n/t (2+ / 0-)
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      "I'm reading it from YOUR book dude!" ~Rachel Maddow to an obviously less endowed Richard Cohen

      by sophistry makes me tired on Mon Jan 04, 2010 at 07:56:27 PM PST

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