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  •  I bet you'd argue with a sign post and then go... (0+ / 0-)

    the wrong way.

    I'm being facetious but really, do you read only what you want to read or what?

    I'm going to highlight this for ya.

    Under the challenged U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service wolf delisting rule, Idaho and Montana are free to reduce the wolf population down to 150 per state – a potential loss of roughly two-thirds of the region’s wolves. The scheduled wolf hunts would cripple the regional wolf population by isolating wolves into disconnected subgroups incapable of genetic or ecological sustainability. The wolf hunts would also allow the killing of the breeding "alpha" male and female wolves, thereby disrupting the social group, leaving pups more vulnerable.

    Capisce?

    Nearly all men can stand adversity but if you want to test a man's character, give him power - Abraham Lincoln

    by markthshark on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 11:15:44 AM PST

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    •  That's... (0+ / 0-)

      Just the limit set by Fish and Wildlife under the delisting order before they're automatically relisted.

      Neither state is actually doing so though, because despite the hyperbole here, neither state wants to wipe the species out again.  They're interested in making money off of them, both through hunting (directly through wolves, and indirectly through the various other species helped by wolves), and through tourism and such.  Montana's limited their hunt to 75 wolves, and Idaho to 220.  Neither state actually hit that quota though, and the wolf population grew in both states last year.

      •  There is no tried and true method for hunting... (0+ / 0-)

        wolves. The new data is just coming in now, and just because the population grew (minimally, I assume) last year does not mean it will grow this year.

        These laws make it possible for the over-culling of wolves. Plain and simple. Just because both Montana and Idaho aren't doing it now doesn't mean they won't set the limit higher next year... or the year after that. There are plenty of special interest lobbies -- sportin' gobs of cash -- just sitting back and waiting for an opportunity to strip regulations altogether.

        Look, the wolves need more time. In my somewhat informed opinion, it's way too early for the species in general to sustain these kind of losses - especially the alpha males and females. Why not keep them listed for another five years, and see where we are then?

        Remember, during that time, ranchers are still allowed to kill wolves that invade property and/or prey on livestock.

        Nearly all men can stand adversity but if you want to test a man's character, give him power - Abraham Lincoln

        by markthshark on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 03:43:55 PM PST

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      •  There's also the poaching problem... n/t (0+ / 0-)

        Nearly all men can stand adversity but if you want to test a man's character, give him power - Abraham Lincoln

        by markthshark on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 03:45:12 PM PST

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