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  •  Same thing as pulling a "Bernie Sanders." (2+ / 0-)
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    Correct me if I'm missing the reference here, but apparently, "progressives" like Sanders and Franken are sell-outs because they are voting for the bill.

    "If these Republicans can't stand up to Rush, how can they stand up to the Iranians?" - Redmond Barry

    by xsonogall on Wed Jan 06, 2010 at 02:00:59 PM PST

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    •  How about you ask (1+ / 0-)
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      rather than assume what I mean. I was responding since you did not bother to ask, to the need for Democrats who are going to be willing to use power just as much as the conservatives are willing to use power.

      I have yet to see one Democrat from the progressive wing, for example, of the Senate publically threaten a filibuster as a matter of using it to gain what they want. WHy is that the case? Why are you okay with this?

      For all the whining you people do about say Lieberman, at least he is willing to use the power that is given to him by being  a member of the Senate to push his agenda to the furthest extent he can push it.

      I don't always expect to win or go without compromise.

      However, it occurs to me that there is a problem with one side constantly tying its hand, then proclaiming this is the best we can do. We will never know that because they are not willing to go toe to toe with the conservatives regarding negotiation strategy, taking risk and using power of the position.

      So when I speak of not being Franken, I mean someone willing to go out on a limb, be something more than a back bencher supporting his party and actually be there to push the party from the other end of the spectrum. That requires using power in ways that are not presently found amongst anyone in the Senate. Of the new people there, I had hoped Franken would be that sort of Senator, but he's not.

      •  What makes you think Franken... (0+ / 0-)

        ...will never go out on a limb?  I have no qualms with him feeling out his job.  It's easy for us to say, stand up and fight for your principles! when you don't have to work with the actual senators.  

        Yes, we have high hopes for him, but really, the guy hasn't been there for long.  He already caught a lot of fire (and praise here on dkos) for telling Lieberman to STFU when he was the chair during some debate.  

        Sorry, calling someone out for not going out a limb "pulling a Franken" seems a bit much for me.

        "If these Republicans can't stand up to Rush, how can they stand up to the Iranians?" - Redmond Barry

        by xsonogall on Wed Jan 06, 2010 at 02:26:32 PM PST

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        •  I am not really interested in making excuses (1+ / 0-)
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          or understanding their plight in being in a new job.

          I am also not much interested in saying what I would do in the role because I don't expect them to be like me. I expect them to be better than me.

          What is "easy" for us to do is what I see here: make excuses for them. Try to rationalize why they aren't doing what they can maximally be doing. For example, you view may make sense if we did not see progressive after so called "great progressive" go into these bodies of Congress to behave the same way as the rest of the progressives that are in Congress.

          My feeling is that part of the issue is that many are happy just to hear them say the right things rather than pressure them.

          It is easier to be angry at a Lieberman than to realize that Lieberman is just using the same power that others have, but are not using.

          I am not callin ganyone anything. This is your mindset. Not mine. My mine set is- what are the list of behaviors that I see missing from progressive right now? What behaviors would I like to see there.

          I am not interested in just having them mouth the words that I would like to hear anymore. I would like some sense of their character.

          Many here seem to be okay with just hearing the words.

      •  Lieberman (0+ / 0-)

        has committed political suicide in Connecticut. He will not win the next election and is going to make loud noises while he can before the curtain call when he is voted out. I will not miss him.

        Sick of Lieberman? Support progressives in primaries like J Brunner in Ohio

        by grrr on Wed Jan 06, 2010 at 03:22:11 PM PST

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        •  Someone last night posted his polling (1+ / 0-)
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          numbers. this is not true. Even after evertying he has done

          ANd more importantly, this is not about Lieberman. This is about progressives being afraid. You encapsulate the issue perfectly by discussing the fear of what will happen rather than what actually is at stake in many of these debates.

          What is at stake is going against DC. The stakes are not going against the electorate. DC and the voters are not the same on many of these issues.

          •  This is the poll I saw (0+ / 0-)

            Want to know how far Joe Lieberman has fallen in the wake of the health care vote last month? Barack Obama's approval rating with Connecticut Republicans is higher than Lieberman's with the state's Democrats.

            81% of Democrats now disapprove of Lieberman's job performance with only 14% approving, and he's not real popular with Republicans who disapprove of him by a 48/39 margin or with independents who do so by a 61/32 spread either. It all adds up to a 25% approval rating with 67% of his constituents giving him bad marks.

            Sick of Lieberman? Support progressives in primaries like J Brunner in Ohio

            by grrr on Thu Jan 07, 2010 at 09:40:35 AM PST

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