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  •  That's not how the whole "proof" game works (3+ / 0-)
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    ... and we have seen the black suns | pouring forth the night. -- Clark Ashton Smith

    by bustacap on Thu Jan 07, 2010 at 07:35:13 AM PST

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    •  Enlighten me, then... (0+ / 0-)

      I'm all ears...waiting to learn about this whole "proof" game...

      •  We'll you don't start with hypotheticals and (1+ / 0-)
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        then attempt to disprove them. You start with the known facts and build from there.

      •  Someone makes an unlikely claim (2+ / 0-)
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        ... and the burden of proof lies with them.

        If I claim that you are in reality a mutant goat, I don't get to say "prove me wrong!" and sit there smugly.  I have to provide the goat-related proof.  Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof on the part of the claim-maker.

        That's how that works.  You're welcome.

        ... and we have seen the black suns | pouring forth the night. -- Clark Ashton Smith

        by bustacap on Thu Jan 07, 2010 at 08:13:16 AM PST

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      •  The number of people needing to be involved... (1+ / 0-)
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        ... from the conspirators in the upper echelons of the CIA all the way down to the TSA officials on the ground (not to mention security officials and workers in AMSTERDAM) would be prohibitively large.

        The likelihood of keeping all of them silent? Virtually impossible.

        The likelihood of this guy being a lone wolf AQ agent, and our agencies dropping the ball on intelligence sharing due to rank incompetence and/or misplaced territorial concerns? SO much higher. Because it's happened before, throughout history, in countless other scenarios.

        Ergo, the burden of proof is on the conspiracy theorists. You're saying that a false flag operation of this magnitude, run by our own intelligence agencies, and designed to cast our own President in a negative light, could be completed in absolute silence. Show me where this has ever happened in our country's history.

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        Corporate Dog

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        We didn't elect Obama to be an expedient president. We elected him to be a great one. -- Eugene Robinson

        by Corporate Dog on Thu Jan 07, 2010 at 08:17:32 AM PST

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        •  PS: Here's what I think will be 'shocking'... (0+ / 0-)

          The White House will most likely give a brief overview of the types of intelligence that we had on the underwear bomber. They'll mention the phone calls that were made to the US Embassy by his father.

          And then they'll say that the intelligence officer on the scene said something like, "Fuck it. I'm going to Vegas for two weeks over Christmas. I'll take it up when I get back."

          Regards,
          Corporate Dog

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          We didn't elect Obama to be an expedient president. We elected him to be a great one. -- Eugene Robinson

          by Corporate Dog on Thu Jan 07, 2010 at 08:23:25 AM PST

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        •  There's even a book about the phenomenon (1+ / 0-)
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          My late father-in-law, a career Navy officer, recommended it to me years ago.  As I recall, the title is, "From the Jaws of Victory," and it's about the vast number of screw-ups in military history that most likely changed the outcome of battles and wars.  One of his favorite sayings was, "Given a choice between a screw-up and a conspiracy, I'll bet on the screw-up every time.  I might lose the rare bet, but I'll end up rich and whoever is betting against me will end up broke."

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