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  •  In an ideal world (0+ / 0-)

    where we were not dealing with a purely  obstructionist opposition party on the other side, this would be true.  However not only are democrats dealing with their own set of "semi-obstructionists" in the form of conservadems, they have to deal with the likes of Mitch McConnell, John Kyle, John McCain, Orin Hatch, John Boehner, etc who would be given an even bigger stage to demagogue and lie about any democratic health care reform proposal.  While I don't like the way it is being done, I prefer not to see this process be further diluted by these raging idiots whose sole intent is to defeat Obama and the democrats.
    Remember John McCain who proposed this during the campaign ?

    emphasis added
    "I would also allow individuals to choose to purchase health insurance across state lines, when they can find more affordable and attractive products elsewhere that they prefer. ...."
    "...You should be able to buy your insurance from any willing provider—the state bureaucracies are no better than national ones. Nationwide insurance markets that ensure broad and vigorous competition will wring out excess costs, overhead, and bloated executive compensation."

    I say this to McCain and the republicans:
    "That's what the national exchanges in the House bill are all about you asshole!  And what about Wyden-Bennett that seven of you even co-sponsored in 2007, including Judd Gregg (R-N.H.), Michael D. Crapo (R-Idaho), Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) and Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.)?  Wyden-Bennett included several of the things now in the Senate bill without a public option.  Now that the possibility of a public option is essentially gone you demagoging liars continue your obstruction to all reform proposals."

    •  i disagree (0+ / 0-)

      there is no way that secret backroom deals can ever be spun as better than transparency. let he opposition make fools of themselves. They will lie about the bill no matter- but if the debate is public their falsehoods can be dis proven. With a secret deal, the public is much more likely to believe whatever the opposition says.

      •  What has been dis-proven yet (0+ / 0-)

        Many of the lies still stand or there have been new ones to replace them.  We have had several weeks of "debate" on CSPAN yet the public perception of any health care reform proposal has lost support in the general public because people are more likely to believe a negative than positive,  as the MSM does covers the lies and distortions with the same emphasis as  fact if not more.  Plus the MSM covered very little of the actual debate so far in the Senate or the House, including in committee.
        I would love to see the negotiations on CSPAN, but I'm not sure how much of this is actually valuable and how much it would tend help the right wing further delay and eventually kill any reform legislation.

        •  again (0+ / 0-)

          transparency will put the truth on display. silence just lends credence to what anyone wants to believe. this is cspan not the MSM. Even I will be suspicious of the process in secret, not in public.

          •  again, again (0+ / 0-)

            I would love to see the negotiations on CSPAN, but I'm not sure how much of this is actually valuable and how much it would tend help the right wing further delay and eventually kill any reform legislation.

            In an ideal world you are correct but unfortunately it doesn't seem to ever work that way.  That is  based on  the political environment we are in and coverage by the MSM that is based more on sensationalism than informing the public.  The coverage of the town halls back during the summer are a perfect example.

            •  we ate not talking about the msm (0+ / 0-)

              we are talking about cspan and a pledge from Obama. "Secret deals" and "broken promises" will (rightly) be the story otherwise.

              •  We have a difference of opinion (0+ / 0-)

                Yes, I know the difference between CSPAN and the MSM, but as far as the MSM is concerned, do you really believe that most of the public is going to watch CSPAN?  You and I may but my contention that most do not listed to actual negotiations but rather listen to the talking heads or read the blog site that they agree with anyway.  And what they will see are the usual sound bites in the MSM (CNN, MSNBC, ABC, Faux, etc.), mostly bullshit.  And the accusations of "secret deals" will be the story no matter what as the right wing will see to that.  The Nelson Medicare deal to get his vote is a perfect example and pretty much everyone who pays any attention at all knows about it.  (BTW, I hope that's fixed if possible).
                My contention is that, while I prefer everything possible to be covered on CSPAN, making a big deal about process is good to a point however it becomes mainly a tool for those who want to defeat this bill at all costs.  
                Plus how much is going to change in the actual legislation which comes out that wouldn't be done using the current process?   I seriously doubt anything.

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