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  •  It goes beyond that: (8+ / 0-)

    Hitler couldn't have been Hitler without the willing assistance of the German people.

    Fascism is capitalism in decay, and Nazi Germany had an especially vicious and anti-human variety of fascism.

    Hitler could not have done what he did without the assistance and support of the ruling elites of capitalist Germany (the industrialists, the aristocracy, the huge reactionary wing of the German military, the Protestant church, the anti-Democratic conservative parties in the German parliament, the powerful right-wing media empire of Hugenberg, etc.)

    I think what Stone wanted to say is that we might learn more from history if we avoid the total personalization of it. Hitler may have had a special rhetorical talent, but from a structuralist p.o.v., somebody else could have easily taken his place.

    The tendency to blame Hitler for the Third Reich exculpates people like Thyssen, Krupp, Schacht, and all the other top Nazis who thrived after WWII - with the support of the US, who needed them against the Soviet Union.

    "Integrity is the lifeblood of democracy. Deceit is a poison in its veins." Senator Edward M. Kennedy (February 22, 1932 - August 25, 2009)

    by aufklaerer on Tue Jan 12, 2010 at 01:10:28 AM PST

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    •  Food for thought (1+ / 0-)
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      But I tend to think of Fascism not as capitalism in decay rather as its illogical extreme. Sorry, but I don't accept the notion that capitialism is ambivilent. Unchecked capitialism will tend toward complete monopolistic control. Fascism is just a form of that.

      And I see what your trying to say about others needing to be held in account. Corporations like Porsche, Daimler, etc. that are major corporate forces today were led by men who should just as easily been up on war crimes charges as members of Hitler's staff. We never count the industrialists as co-conspirators in a war. Funny how that works. But I'm still not convinced Hitler would've been easy or even possible to replace. It makes him seem like just a George W. Bush sort of character, a puppet and I don't think it's right. But I am willing to think about it.

      I stand by the truth, that way I don't have to be near any Republicans.

      by ontheleftcoast on Tue Jan 12, 2010 at 01:34:44 AM PST

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    •  Indeed it goes beyond that... (0+ / 0-)

      Hitler would also not have been possible without the terrible price paid by Germany for being the loser in the game of Risk that was geo-politics before the WWI and the vindictiveness of the victors in that war in setting the terms for peace.

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