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  •  let 'em whine (4.00)
    Legally, there's probably nothing he can do at this point. And the louder they complain about a free, fair, and bipartisan recount, the more ammo we'll have next time.

    Assuming any elected Democrat is willing to use the ammo, that is.

    •  On that note (3.80)
      I'm torn between which tactic would be most beneficial for Democrats.

      Should they:
      1.) Flood the airwaves, calling for Rossi to concede and hinting that he's a desparate sore loser, just as Rossi himself did initially (and as Bush and Friends did in 2000)?

      2.) Support the full and fair counting of all votes, and give sympathetic deference to Rossi's vote-scrounging?

      The former definitely feels good. We're always accused of being sore losers if we don't concede instantaneously, so it's fun to turn it around on them. More importantly, it's not like they'll ever learn a lesson and become more civil after this, so how can it hurt to rag on Rossi for not conceding?

      The latter, however, hoists Rossi on his own petard. Now he's the one trying to stave off the inevitable, so perhaps we should tacitly encourage his efforts because it shows we're not crooked, we just want fairness no matter the outcome. Nothing better than making a Repug the poster-boy for seeking recounts.

      What do you think? Does anyone care about this post? No? Okay, I'll go eat a sandiwch.

      •  both! (4.00)
        Relate the lengths that King and other counties went to, so as to be able to maximize the number of valid votes tallied (remind everyone that each vote tallied was agreed-to by Republicans).  Refer often to Danny Westneat's 12/18 column in the Seattle Times, in which he described and extolled the fairness of the King County recount.

        Remind that the Dems tried to get the state to encourage all counties to be as pro-active, but the GOP objected to such encouragement.

        Point out that Rossi and Vance changed their tune only when their guy fell behind, and when it was too late to do what the Democrats wanted to see all along.

        Talk about how the GOP flip-flops, solely out of political expediency.  Quote Justice Owens, who noted that the Republicans evinced no interest in the rights of voters, caring only about winning and losing.  And then quote the GOP counsel's response ... that he didn't understand what the Justice meant by that.

        You're only young once, but you can be immature forever -- Larry Andersen

        by N in Seattle on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 03:12:17 PM PST

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        •  forgot some other talking points (4.00)
          Talk about all the frivolous lawsuits Rossi and Vance have hinted at.

          There's the ever-popular "get over it".

          Maybe we should talk up the Gregoire mandate and/or landslide.

          You're only young once, but you can be immature forever -- Larry Andersen

          by N in Seattle on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 03:43:48 PM PST

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          •  Fuck yes. (none)
            Maybe we should talk up the Gregoire mandate and/or landslide.

             I sure intend to.
            We could also remind them of the enormous expense of another election (and, no doubt, subsequent recounts) and of the fact that the dems weren't even allowed a presidential primary this year and were forced to caucus because of the expense.
            But I think the main message should be "You lost. Quit whining, already. Get over it."

            "...the definition of a gaffe in Washington is somebody who tells the truth but shouldn't have." Howard Dean

            by colleen on Thu Dec 30, 2004 at 04:12:24 AM PST

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      •  I care, Johnny Famous (none)

        and I'm so glad you spelled petard correctly. I misspelled it last week and got a big long lecture about the origin of the word + some quote from Shakespeare.

        What's in your sandwich?

        So, do you all think it's a good thing the Repugs have those annoying talk shows like Dori Monson's so they can vent?  (Such poisonous stuff, though.  Very dispiriting to listen to.  And I can't imagine how it benefits their spirits either.)

        Susan in Port Angeles (my cat)

        by SusanHu on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 04:05:07 PM PST

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      •  Forget the "desperate sore loser" meme (3.66)
        Shout it from the rooftops that he's trying to cheat, and to steal what the voters wouldn't give him.

        With luck, this will hurt him so bad that he won't be able to run for something else in 2006.

        All we are give back our pants!

        by AdmiralNaismith on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 04:52:31 PM PST

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        •  Right on the money (none)
          DC GOPers are already talking Rossi up for the 06 race against Senator Maria Cantwell. She barely upset the incumbent 4 years ago, so everyone has had her on the short list of potentially vulnerable incumbents. It's important to make sure that he doesn't walk away from this whole thing with anthying like the sympathy Yushenko go in Ukraine (yes, there are many many differences, but there is a small similarity)
          •  Cantwell did very well against a (3.85)
            well know incumbent Republican.

            Please tell me why - of all places here at Kos - that we have to repeatedly read Republican talking points about Cantwell --

            unless of course you live under a bridge.

            ...Release the Hounds

            by sara seattle on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 06:22:42 PM PST

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            •  You're absolutely right... (4.00)
              It's a silly talking point that I keep seeing repeated here for some reason.  I personally think Cantwell will do better than Murray did in the previous election no matter who she runs against in '06, Rossi included.
              •  You got my line (4.00)
                I was going to say that Sara was absolutely right too, but I'd already said RonK was. I can't hand out that many absolutes in one diary. Rossi had Locke fatigue and a poor Democratic campaign going for him.  He won't have that in a Cantwell race.  Besides the rumors upthread are that he's already announced he's running for Governor in 2008.
                •  Cantwell will face obstacles (none)
                  ... but "Rossi the Giant-Killer" isn't high up on that list.

                  He won't have 20 years of Democratic governance to kick around, and he can't low-ball the social issues in a federal race the way he did this tiem around.

                  •  Choice (none)
                    Specifically, he won't be able to wave off the abortion issue by saying 'oh, state government doesn't have anything to do with that.' This is a very pro-choice state, and Rossi doesn't fit the bill.
                    •  why aren't R's yelling for Rossi's head? (none)
                      If this had been reversed, we'd have been yelling at Gregoire about the bad campaign she ran--hell, we've been doing that even though she won.

                      so, why isn't Rossi's base yelling at him for not talking up abortion etc.?  Especially during the "moral values" election? (I know, I know--but it's their mantra)

                      is it just that they're better sticking to a single message?

                      •  not Rossi, Vance (none)
                        In the middle of all this stuff, Chris Vance let it be known that he wants another term as chair of the Washington Republican party.  Seeing what a scheming, partisan, slimy ass he is, it came as quite a shock to learn that he might face opposition for the post.  

                        I was especially surprised to see why the potential competitors might try to supplant Vance.  Here's the money shot from the Seattle Times article (emphasis added):

                        Vance acknowledged that he has some critics in the party, including activists calling themselves Reagan Wing Republicans. The group says Vance and a "liberal elite" have run the party and have strayed from core party principles.

                        Potential challengers are Sharon Bumala of Battle Ground, Clark County; Rose Strong of the Seattle area; and Mark Hulst of Mount Vernon.

                        Vance said the critics are a small minority of the party's grass roots and typically are backers of Reed Davis, who ran unsuccessfully this year for the party's nomination to oppose U.S. Sen. Patty Murray.

                        Vance infuriated Davis and his backers by barring him from the rostrum at the state Republican Convention when Davis refused to sign the so-called "11th Commandment" not to bad-mouth fellow Republicans.

                        Imagine that ... Chris Vance, liberal.

                        You're only young once, but you can be immature forever -- Larry Andersen

                        by N in Seattle on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 10:41:39 PM PST

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            •  It's not quite a bridge... (3.50)
              I'm not on the Republican talking points email list, so sorry for the accidental indigestion I've caused.

              I think Cantwell ran a great race against Slade Gorton and I think she will run another good campaign.

              These withstanding, I was simply pointing out two facts that lead me to think her race could be close: she won a very very close race (getting just under 50%), which is generally the best predictor of the potential competitiveness of a seat; and Rossi now has statewide name ID (granted, some good and just a little more bad) and the potential for his supporters to be energized b/c they feel he was robbed and the potential for more moderate/swing voters to feel some sympathy for him.

    •  NEVER Let Republicans Communicate (none)
      in any manner whatsoever.

      We've spent 30 years letting them make asses of themselves.

      Didn't work.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy....--ML King, "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 07:39:10 PM PST

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