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  •  If I recall correctly (5+ / 0-)

    President Obama and others attended a little conference called the United Nations General Assembly last fall, as did GWB before him, at which Mahmoud Ahmenijad also attended and spoke.  While he may not have literally called for "extermination of the Jews" he's made no secret of his anti-semitism and utter disdain for Israel.

    There are potential benefits both to skipping the event with a strong statement as to why, vs. attending the event and delivering a strong statement to the audience who most needs to hear it.  At this stage, I'm leaning toward the latter option being a more effective strategy, contigent upon the "strong statement" component.

    •  TOTALLY Not analogous (24+ / 0-)

      UN conferences are meant to iron out "differences" of politics and culture.

      The Prayer Breakfast is an invitation of honor offered to "good Christians" to affirm and reward their positive contributions to society. Invitations are entirely at the organizers discretion.

      UN's mission is to bring people of disagrement together.

      •  I believe the question was: (6+ / 0-)

        Would any American politician - Dem, GOP, or otherwise - attend a conference with someone calling for the extermination of Jews?

        The question was not:

        Would any American politician - Dem, GOP, or otherwise - attend a conference with someone calling for the extermination of Jews which is exactly analagous with the National Prayer Breakfast?</ </p>

        Invitations to speak at and participate in the UN General Assembly are no more indiscrimate than the National Prayer Breakfast, and I know that you are not naive enough to believe that Ahmenijad's remarks made at the UNGA are "meant to iron out 'differences' of politics and culture".

        Ironically, the analogy would be that Ahmenijad perceives his role as to be speaking out on a global stage against his perceived injustices against Muslims in an audience mostly supportive of Israel, while Obama would have the opportunity to speak out against injustices against LGBT folks in an audience that is mostly complicit in perpetuating those injustices.

        So, I guess we have a difference of opinion.  Not the first time, and probably not the last, but offered with respect.


        •  The United Nations - (5+ / 0-)

          Is not a "conference".
          In case you hadn't noticed.

          There are many, many things wrong with the U.N.
          And Ahmadinejad's antisemitism is indefensible.
          But you belabor the point.

          •  I didn't say "The United Nations" (3+ / 0-)

            I said "The United Nations General Assembly" which is mostly definitely the exact definition of a conference.  And you are correct, Ahmadinejad's antisemitism is indefensible, as would be our refusal to participate in the UNGA based on his presence there, giving him the stage to himself, as it were.

            •  Uh, no (4+ / 0-)

              The U.N. General Assembly is a deliberative body and in some senses a legislative one. It is not a "conference." Anybody can attend a conference if s/he pays the registration fee. Only accredited representatives and heads of state are permitted to speak in the GA. We may not like those accredited representatives and/or heads of state, but we have no choice but to deal with them if we want to get anything done. There is no analogous necessity with regard to the bigot from Uganda and the White House Prayer Breakfast.

              •  Your definition of conference is a bit limited (0+ / 0-)



                1. a meeting for consultation or discussion: a conference between a student and his adviser.  
                1. the act of conferring or consulting together; consultation, esp. on an important or serious matter.
                1. Government. a meeting, as of various committees, to settle disagreements between the two branches of the legislature.

                See #2 above.  No "anybody can attend" claimed by me or included in the definition... no claim on my part or included in the definition "you're in if you pay a registration fee."

                I refer you back to the original question, and ask that you refrain from going back to the subsequent false claim of analogy in justifying your point-of-view.

      •  Moreover, US walked out (1+ / 0-)
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        with a lot of other nations too when people like Ahmenijad spoke. That is standard protocol when the speech is being given by someone like that.

        "So it was OK to waterboard a guy over 80 times but God forbid the guy who could understand what that prick was saying has a boyfriend."--Jon Stewart

        by craigkg on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 10:53:36 PM PST

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