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  •  Clinton was the best Republican president (1+ / 0-)
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    we've had.

    Does that tell you what I think of DLC'ers.

    Yeah, they suck.

    Do they suck as much as Republicans? Not quite. It's close, but no... honestly, no.

    Would people overseas prefer Clinton to McCain? Of course they would. They know better. They see it so much clearer than most Americans, I guess because they're the ones who really suffer the consequences, while Americans still have the luxury of worrying more about who won American Idol.

    The morality of this is clear. You know it as well as I do. We can argue about it all day long and clear up points you already knew the answers to, but in the end, we both know what is right and wrong in these decisions.

    •  What I know is that those who refuse to benefit (2+ / 0-)
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      from the lessons of history are destined to repeat them. What I know is that organisms exist to reproduce themselves. Those who unfailingly support detrimental  organisms have no call to bitch when history repeats itself and the organism one has thoughtlessly abetted does yet more damage to itself and others.

      A Republican is someone who can't enjoy his privileged position unless he is certain that somewhere, someone is in excruciating agony. I Love OCD

      by nippersdad on Sun Jan 31, 2010 at 11:33:19 PM PST

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      •  That's all nice and abstract (0+ / 0-)

        while real people are dying as a direct result of American voters.

        What I know is that your arguments are far too ephemeral and metaphorical, and that tells me you aren't able to discuss this in terms of the real world effects of not supporting Obama in 2012, and of course there are reasons why. An argument against it is untenable, and underneath all the metaphors, you know it.

        If America didn't learn from Bush, they aren't going to learn from whatever Republican replaces Obama. There isn't some magical threshold beyond which Americans will be shocked into not supporting conservatives or moderates. That's not who Americans are.

        And in the meantime, you owe it to real people to be a hell of a lot more reality based when it comes to voting and the real world impact of your voting choices.

        •  This is professional trolling (5+ / 0-)

          "Don't rock the boat, you have to keep the world safe from Republicans."

          Except the best way to keep the world safe from imperial abuse is to make sure there are strong punishments to act as deterrents to these types of actions. As it stands, all they have to worry about is losing elections, and as it is Bush had his two terms, he and his team get away untouched.

          Also, lets not overstate just how much better for the world a Democratic administration is. You think all those women and children getting killed in predator drone attacks in Af/Pak are grateful the Dems are on the remote control?

          It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.

          by Grassee on Mon Feb 01, 2010 at 05:50:42 AM PST

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          •  Yeah, (0+ / 0-)

            to the point that my Hide finger is twitching.

            The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. - 9th Amendment

            by TracieLynn on Mon Feb 01, 2010 at 06:05:08 AM PST

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          •  Professional? Check this out: (1+ / 0-)
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            Does This Explain a Lot?

            You think maybe Cass & Co. are sending people over here?

            "When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done." -- J. M. Keynes

            by goinsouth on Mon Feb 01, 2010 at 09:08:19 AM PST

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          •  No, the best way to protect the world (0+ / 0-)

            is to be reality based and do the best that we can with America.

            That means supporting Obama and making sure he gets re-elected. Everything else is intellectual masturbation.

            Ask the powerless overseas what they want you to do, cause withholding your vote from Obama aint on the list.

            •  Trolls stay on message (0+ / 0-)

              That's the real tell. They will the make the same basic two or three points over and over. In this case:

              1. The GOP is worse.
              1. The people of the world need Obama.
              1. Opposition to Obama's policies is an effete intellectual affectation by out of touch and callous middle class leftists.

              I've noticed point number 3 in particular to be the STANDARD counterargument to criticisms. Sometimes racial insensitivity is also thrown in. Classic divide and rule.

              It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.

              by Grassee on Mon Feb 01, 2010 at 11:42:11 AM PST

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              •  Calling people trolls (0+ / 0-)

                won't change the fact that you don't have a moral leg to stand on if you're not voting for Obama.

                People all over the world look at Americans like you, who make these abstract idealistic decisions about who to support and not, and that's why they hate you.

                And they're right to. They're dying because of people like you.

    •  Preferences. (1+ / 0-)
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      Would people overseas prefer Clinton to McCain?

      How about Serbia?  They're big Clinton fans.

      "When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done." -- J. M. Keynes

      by goinsouth on Mon Feb 01, 2010 at 09:06:07 AM PST

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      •  The vast majority of powerless people (0+ / 0-)

        (and sensible people) in the world prefer any Democrat to any Republican, because they know better.

        And so do you, despite your meaningless semantic games.

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