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  •  Yes, they do. (22+ / 0-)

    Some of the "renditions" were from signatory countries, and some routed through signatory countries, and the planes used went through other signatory countries' airspace. That's mentioned in the complaint.

    On top of that, the ICC gets specifically involved when a crime against humanity is not being prosecuted in the country where the accused resides. And we're sure not prosecuting them.

    So, jurisdiction?. Yes. Will they take on the responsibility? Questionable.

    "Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful or believe to be beautiful." -William Morris

    by Robespierrette on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 03:13:44 PM PST

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    •  They don't really have jurisdiction (6+ / 0-)

      As I mentioned in my longer comment while it's possible the chances are slim. For the ICC to prosecute the US they have to prove that not only are we not prosecuting the parties in the US (that's easy), but that we are not capable. They would have to make a case, like they have in Eastern Europe, that the US has a system of justice that is so controlled by the parties in question that our DOJ is not capable of prosecuting them. None of our NATO allies would do that to Obama. Regarding the renditions, they may be able to indict someone, but not any US citizens.

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 03:41:12 PM PST

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      •  I agree, but a case could be made that the (2+ / 0-)
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        US (for political reasons) is not capable or willing to prosecute these crimes. But, again, that would require Obama willing to turn to the ICC and I just do not see that happening (for the same political reasons). They could indict people who enter into their territory like members of CACI or Blackwater who were involved in the renditions; this is where the US government may choose to let them take the blame for the crimes in which they participated.

        No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable (Adam Smith, 1776, I, p. 96).

        by NY brit expat on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 04:37:43 PM PST

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    •  Don't forget the Blackwater hit squads in Germany (5+ / 0-)
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      No doubt under Cheney's direction then. Now under Obamas direction but operating in Afgahanistan. 2 of them were killed in the suicide attack by a double agent against the CIA.

      Private corporations murdering for our government. I never thought I would see the day.

      Soldiers can do that. That is what they are trained for. The only reason I can see to use mercenaries is for deniability and to avoid the UCMJ and our nations laws.

      •  And in Pakistan where Blackwater/Xe's role (4+ / 0-)
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        continues to expand. The Pakistani newspapers of full of their exploits-so much so that I suspect they're more aware of Blackwater than we are nowadays.

        Meteor Blades seems to do an outstanding job of community moderation despite his abject failure to be perfect.

        by catilinus on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 06:04:48 PM PST

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      •  The overarching reason to use mercenaries (3+ / 0-)
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        Is the general shift from a governmental structure, which is subject to the "vagaries" of public opinion (and public well-being), to a corporate structure, which serves only the needs of the corporation.

        Dissipation is actually much worse than cataclysm. - Tracy Lett

        by geomoo on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 06:08:38 PM PST

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      •  And to avoid Congressional oversight. (4+ / 0-)
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        If you watched Erik Prince testify before Congress and refuse to answer questions on the grounds that his company was a private corporation, the operational word being private, you know that he thinks he has no accountability to Congress.  Bascially he told the committee that how much Congress paid him and what he did with the money was none of their business.

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