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  •  nuance (4.00)
    sigh. all i can do is ask God to grant us forgiveness for all that we do in his name.

    i do think it not productive to tar all Republicans/Bush voters with this hateful bile. the Christians i know may think homosexuality is a sin and not approve of gay marriage, they may have voted for Bush, but they know that Fred Phelps and hateful language like this is completely NOT in line with Christ's message of love. it's like GOoPers posting anti-semitic fliers on their web site taken from ANSWER and saying it's representative of all Democrats or liberals (or an ad that links Hitler to Bush).

    •  Add a few more qualifiers (none)
      This is the most ridiculous post I've ever read.  "I know these people are hateful, and I know they're backwards thinking, and I know they elected our jackass president for a second term, but we really shouldn't call them on any of this because Jesus looooooves us".

      The Republicans got in bed with the religious right a long time ago - this is part of it.  Tar, feather and make them wear it.  They earned it.  To suggest anything less shows an astounding lack of understanding about what we're dealing with.

    •  good grief (4.00)
      Tar 'em all with the same brush? CRIPES!! This kind of unselfconsciously evil hate speech demeans everyone's freedom of speech far far more than gay marriage demeans everyone else's marriage. To quote a great false pundit, let me ask "what's wrong with you?" These people need to be opposed, shamed, ridiculed, vilified, ostracised, banished from civil society, and denounced at their funerals. To distribute such a flyer IN CHURCH is the vilest, most despicable, most unbelievably immoral, cruel,  atavistic and primitive, unforgiveable, unjusitifablebit of pamphleteering I've ever seen.  But I'm Canadian, where we have hate speech laws, too, thank God.

      Always remember, others may hate you. Those who hate you don't win unless you hate them. And then you destroy yourself. Richard M Nixon.

      by peterborocanuck on Fri Dec 31, 2004 at 06:23:00 AM PST

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    •  One Christian's perspective (none)
      Homosexuality may be a sin, but so is hypocrisy, greed, gossip, taking God's name in vain, theft, and many other things. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone," Jesus said; and nobody is free of sin, including myself. There are more productive things to do than going around condemning people for sins you don't like.

      Marriage is considered a religious ceremony that is also recognized by the state. Ministers can perform marriages, and judges can perform an equivalent civil union. IF the two are truly equivalent, I would have no problem with gay civil unions (and marriages performed by churches that allow/approve of gay marriage). In short, I approve of either gay marriage or something in all ways equal to it.

      I didn't vote for Bush, and wouldn't. If I didn't think Kerry would have done a better job, I would have gone for a third-party candidate. I supported McCain in the 2000 primaries, Gore in the general election, and am deeply disappointed at how McCain turned out.

      I won't speculate on the state of Fred Phelps's salvation. He obviously likes attention, and has found a sure-fire way to attract attention. Ignoring him may be the best way to deal with him.

      Hatred is murder (1 John 3:15)

      by dirtroad on Fri Dec 31, 2004 at 07:24:56 AM PST

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