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  •  But what did Jesus say? (none)
    I know that Paul and other post-Gospels commentators and preachers made up lots of rules, many of them intended to assert mastery over women (who, in the early church, had equal rights and were even bishops).  And many of those NT rules were based on the same Jewish law that Christ was rebeling against.  But Jesus himself appeared to welcome everyone, including the Samaritan adultress he met at the well. Jewish men didn't speak to any women, even wives, in public at that time, let alone ask them for water as Jesus did.  

    With all due respect, I don't think you can generalize from one example, about which we do not know the intimate details, about people who leave their partners (for same sex or opposite sex partners) and in so doing cause distress to their children. Sometimes abused spouses leave their mates, and that troubles the children but in the long run the situation may be more wholesome for them.  

    Each instance is different and blanket rules issued by churches trying to take the place of Jesus can be misguided. Sometimes when the parents choose to live honestly and openly as they really are, they set an example of truthfulness rather than living in hypocrisy.

    Wasn't it Christ who said "Do not judge..."?

    •  The judging thing (none)
      Plan 9, this is fun! OK, let me take a stab at this, for what it's worth:

      When Jesus says "do not judge," he goes on to clarify what that means (see Matthew 7:1-3). We must hold ourselves to the same standard that we use for others. Don't excuse in yourself the very things you disapprove of in the lives of others. To do so is hypocrisy, and we'll be judged by God accordingly...sobering words, indeed.

      Jesus "judged" others all the time. He judged that the Pharisees of his day were "white-washed tombs" that looked great on the outside, but inside were full of dead bones (Matt. 23:27-28). In John 8:1-11, he judged that the woman caught in adultery was not worthy to die, and that her accusers were themselves just as bad. But most interestingly, he judged the woman herself by telling her to leave her life of sin! Jesus isn't interested in letting people sink down in the quicksand of their poor choices. He always offers a hand-up, and some are smart enough to take it.

      The woman at the well:

      Christ spoke openly about her five past marriages and her current living arrangements with a man not her husband (John 4:17-18). And somehow by speaking the truth, he didn't come across as "holier than thou". Amazing guy...and John 4:42 hints that the woman at the well changed because Jesus dared "call a spade a spade."

      Jesus mangaged to find the right balance between judgment and mercy. I'd like to think that Christians today always have the right mix;
      we obviously don't, but many (not all) are trying. What do they say? "Website under construction."

      •  Thanks (none)
        Didsbury, I appreciate your answers and your amplifications.

        I share your distress about how cruel some public figures calling themselves "Christian" can be to their fellow human beings and how ready they are to condemn. Such self-authorized people exist in every society and religion.

         "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone."--One of the great lines.

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