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  •  Can we just stop (2+ / 0-)
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    the idiotic label nonsense?  It's pointlessly divisive and counterproductive.

    Obviously we all have different opinions about what is going right or what is going wrong, but to somehow attempt to attribute that to groupthink based on a stupid label - that's what the Republicans do (and here I think the use of a label is appropriate).  Let's not sink in the same boat.

    •  Getting past labels is the point of the diary (3+ / 0-)
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      Hence the quotes around "pragmatic progressive"a nd then going on to focus on policies, outcomes and electoral success.

    •  Float your boat past the title :) (1+ / 0-)
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      This is not about being called a progressive or a pragmatist. Or whatever else you care to call yourself.  This diary is about losing strategies.

      Move Your Money The truth is too big to fail. Justice is too big to fail. Peace is too big to fail.

      by Burned on Thu Jan 21, 2010 at 06:32:45 AM PST

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    •  Go back and read your Will Rogers (2+ / 0-)
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      It's pointlessly divisive and counterproductive.

      It's the major strength of the Democratic Party.  We're divided and inconsistent that the opposition can't figure out what we're doing.  It's when we can't either that we get into trouble.

      Reminds me of the old saysing:

      When you're up to your ass in alligators, it's hard to remember that your original intention was to drain the swamp.

      50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

      by TarheelDem on Thu Jan 21, 2010 at 06:35:41 AM PST

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      •  It = herding cats. Our strength (4+ / 0-)

        isn't herding cats, it's diverse points of view.  However, when push comes to shove, we should all be able to tell people what our party platform is and what we stand for, and be firm in that - unwaivering.  Right now, we're anything but.  We waiver, bend, fold, capitulate, concede, compromise and kowtow.  It's ridiculous.

        *this space available for lease if you have something appropriately witty for me to share*

        by xysea on Thu Jan 21, 2010 at 06:41:33 AM PST

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        •  Diverse points of view = cats (0+ / 0-)

          ...if each of those points of view behaves like a single-issue voter.

          The Democratic Party stands for the will and interests of the middle class and working class in America; that has been the consistent Democratic platform.

          And "we" Democrats are not doing anything different from that.  However, the nitwits that we have elected and re-elected have now been shown to be owned by their largest campaign contributors.  They have forgotten what Jesse Unruh said:

          If you can't drink a lobbyist's whiskey, take his money, sleep with his women and still vote against him in the morning, you don't belong in politics.

          50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

          by TarheelDem on Thu Jan 21, 2010 at 07:24:46 AM PST

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      •  Opposition doesn't need to figure it out (1+ / 0-)
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        Republicans are extremely successful at labeling the Democrats, regardless of truth or accuracy.  Just listen to any right wing talk radio show.

        •  And the word of the week = "ARROGANT" (0+ / 0-)

          Soon these morons will realize that americans are onto their game of "taking points" and "adjective hunt" each week.
          Now when they use them, we know one thing:  They don't have an intelligent, creative bone in their bodies and are taking "marching orders" from Rush Oxycontin.

          "If by a Liberal, they mean someone who cares about the welfare of the people, then I am proud to say I'm a Liberal". Ted Kennedy

          by caduceus4 on Thu Jan 21, 2010 at 07:14:28 AM PST

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        •  Labels don't work (0+ / 0-)

          ...when deeds contradict them.

          Bill Clinton is still popular, regardless of the blistering attacks on him over a decade and a half.  Jimmy Carter is still respected.  Obama has a 46% approval rating, in part due to Democratic disapproval.

          Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas, Texas, Tennesee, South Carolina, and Kentucky still have Democrats in Congress.  North Carolina has had a Democrat as governor for 18 years.  And this in the midst of 24-7 propaganda from right wing radio with exclusive coverage in most of rural America.

          Democrats lose when Democrats don't work for their constituents or when constituents feel that Democrats feel they deserve no accountability.  Or when they feel that Democratic office holders either feel that they are part of the elite or owned by business.

          That is when Democrats are perceived to be and act contrary to the long term Democratic message that Democrats stand with the middle class and the working class of America.  Democrats fail when they go off message on that one message.  And no amount of Democratic communications "messaging" will fix it.

          50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

          by TarheelDem on Thu Jan 21, 2010 at 07:36:16 AM PST

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