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  •  hahaha. (2+ / 0-)
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    corvo, Nightprowlkitty

    Reality?  I am sorry but I want a different reality than the one you personally live in.  That is why I'm progressive.  Without me, your 'reality' as you put it would be way more to the right than it already is.

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    by xysea on Thu Jan 21, 2010 at 07:09:38 AM PST

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    •  We all share the same reality. (0+ / 0-)

      You can't choose your own reality.

      That's called being delusional.

      •  Wrong, we do not share the same reality. (1+ / 0-)
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        Your reality is way different to mine.  Your reality might include financial comfort and health insurance.  My reality might not.  That is not delusional, it's factual, and accounts for the difference in points of view and perspective.

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        by xysea on Thu Jan 21, 2010 at 07:20:40 AM PST

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        •  I Understand what you mean. (0+ / 0-)

          And if my situation is different or not, it doesn't mean it always has been.  I am well aware of what it is like to be out of work, with a family, and to be seriously concerned with providing basic security for them.

          And I know, that pragmatic steps, like the Senate Health Bill, help people in that situation.  It doesn't solve the problem, but it is a start and it is obtainable.  I'll take that.  I'll take some relief with the promise of more.

          What I think is wrong is to deny that to those that need it, because it isn't what I want.  It doesn't go far enough, or deep enough, or help more, or tax the people I want to have taxed!  I think that is wrong.  Not because of what it is.  We both want to help people.  Believe me.  My heart is a liberal heart.

          I think it's wrong because it puts the ideology ahead of the reality.  Bills with more won't pass.  They won't.

          So I want to do what we can with what we have.  I'm pragmatic.

          The thing I'm worried about... what scares me?  Is that you and I get so locked up in this, that we do nothing.  And that can't happen.  

          The window to do something is closing.  Business has to move on when it comes to Health Care.

          These ideological fights... "The Pony People" and "the Capitulationists" (which is a word.  Thanks  Corvo).  That'll just drag us down.

          •  We are mostly in agreement - (0+ / 0-)

            about our fears and wishes.

            The thing I'm worried about... what scares me?  Is that you and I get so locked up in this, that we do nothing.  And that can't happen.  

            The window to do something is closing.  Business has to move on when it comes to Health Care.

            I agree, we must do something.  But I am equally afraid of what doing too little means.  Not just for me, but for my neighbor, my retired mother, my friends, and complete strangers.

            It's a fine line, and I think we disagree more on how to go about it than what we'd like the outcome to be.

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            by xysea on Thu Jan 21, 2010 at 07:48:31 AM PST

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