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  •  Ah yes. Let's sit and wait some more. We waited (1+ / 0-)
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    to see what would happen with Guatanomo - still there; we waited to see what would happen with torture- nothing; we waited to see what would happen with DADT - more promises, still no action; we waited to see what would happen with health care reform - how's that going again?  So yea, now that yet another stupid approach has been declared - let's all wait and see what happens before we get upset about it.  Sounds like a winning approach.

    "If you trust you are not critical; if you are critical you do not trust" by our own Dauphin

    by gustynpip on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 10:18:37 AM PST

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    •  And so - what to do? (1+ / 0-)
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      You're clearly unhappy with the President. But there's no practical alternative. All you can do is complain. The President knows the progressive community's not going anywhere.  

      •  Very true. But those of us who are unhappy (1+ / 0-)
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        aren't obligated to be unhappy in silence.  The teabaggers could only complain, too - and look where that's gotten them.  But with the President, there are so many that think complaining is somehow supporting the teabaggers, we'll never see the progressives get together and make enough noise to actually affect the process.  So while I might not have much hope, I'm tired of watching everyone who voices dissatisfaction being told to wait and see.

        "If you trust you are not critical; if you are critical you do not trust" by our own Dauphin

        by gustynpip on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 10:35:41 AM PST

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    •  but to answer you seriously (0+ / 0-)

      I understand you're unhappy.  I'm unhappy about the pace of change on some things, and unhappy about policies in other areas.  I'm pretty generous with spreading the responsibility for my unhappiness around though to include lots of guys in Congress, including a few with a (D) behind their name who need either a swift kick in the butt, or, more depressingly, an education of their constituents - more depressingly because that takes a heck of lot of time, and I don't want to wait damn it.

      But on this specific thing - what do we do?  I'm not prepared to write and say a spending freeze is a betrayal until I know what's getting frozen.  If it's abstinence only ed, just as a fer instance, I'd be elated beyond belief to have it cut down to less than nothing.  I will wait, then if I think there's meat in there we can't afford to trim, I'll holler.  But I'm not ready to say that spending more on green jobs, on environmental stuff, on education, on mass transit, on health care, on - well lots of things - wouldn't be worth spending a bit less on some other stuff.  I want to wait and see what is that stuff.  

      (Sadly, in Kathmandu no longer.)

      by American in Kathmandu on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 10:36:41 AM PST

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      •  To my mind, what will end up being frozen is (1+ / 0-)
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        a much less important question than the way Obama choose to handle this.  First, calling it a "spending freeze" is adopting a right wing meme.  Secondly, announcing it now when it won't be put into place for a long time rather than waiting until the economy has improved a bit is simply foolish.  Third, announcing (or leaking) it without giving some specifics as to what it will apply to was foolish.

        This whole thing will play out as follows:  1.  There will be people like you who will once again give Obama the benefit of the doubt and so it will have little impact; 2.  There will be people like me who have been holding tightly onto their hope even while being disappointed in him again and again and for whom this will be the one that makes us throw our hands up in despair and he will lose them completely; 3.  There will be those who would never support him no matter what who will be chuckling with glee, who realize this is a great sign that they've won.  

        There is simply not a block of potential supporters who were just waiting for something like this to prove that Obama is a financial moderate and will now throw their support to him.  

        This, to me, is an indication of a very serious inability to understand political realities and a desperation of realizing he's screwing up, but he has no idea how or what to do about it - so he's just throwing out things he thinks might get popular support.

        "If you trust you are not critical; if you are critical you do not trust" by our own Dauphin

        by gustynpip on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 11:35:17 AM PST

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        •  the problem is - you've described groups here. (0+ / 0-)

          but the country isn't like us.  And living overseas, even though I have family and friends, none of them as politically involved as me, and covering a pretty wide spectrum, I sometimes have a hard time figuring out, or understanding, how they're likely to perceive things.

          So - as to the politics - like I said before, I'm tempted to think you're correct that it won't help the way his advisors are hoping, though there obviously are those out there who are worried about the size of government, or the size of the deficit.  I tend to have more sympathy with those who are worried about the latter, than the former.  And I don't think a recession's a time to worry about the deficit, but I do think that signalling it will be brought back under control when we can is not altogether a bad thing. I really don't think that this needs to play out as a right wing meme.  They LIKE to make it so, but sure as hell, the Democrats have been the more fiscally responsible party the last couple of decades - let's take that talking point right away from them, just like we need to on security stuff.  It's hore hockey that it's a Republican virtue.  It's (a) anti-poor the way they do it, and not what the public wants, and (b) not even true, because they explode the deficit while screwing everyone.  If Obama can change that perception, I'm fine with it, but only if he does it by being anti-right wing in his policies.  That's what I want to see.  If not, I'll bitch too.

          (Sadly, in Kathmandu no longer.)

          by American in Kathmandu on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 07:47:35 PM PST

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