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  •  That would be too European for the flag wavers (0+ / 0-)

    to take.

    Notch up another area where we can learn from the post WWII Europeans (U.S.S.R. excluded) as far as scaling back militaries.

    Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers.- George C.

    by gereiztkind on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 01:43:23 PM PST

    •  the funny thing is that while US derides European (1+ / 0-)

      as being weak on defense, Europe is only weak compared to US itself. France and Britain each spend about the same as Russia and more than any other country in the world save for China and US.  Even medium-sized non-military powers such as Spain spend more than lets say Iran.

      •  but they spend very little (0+ / 0-)

        compared to their NATO ally.  They use their money on social programs knowing we will take up the slack.  You ask any Democratic president of the last 50 years and he would agree they need to spend more so we can spend less.

        Even when Europe "acts alone" they do it with our logistical support, the reason is that they HAVE to have it because they don't have it.

        •  why should they compare themselves to US rather (0+ / 0-)

          than potential enemies?  Spending more money made sense during the cold war (and they actually did spend more back then) but not nowadays since (with the exception of China whose military budge is still modest in comparison to the size of its economy) the potential enemies are very weak military-wise (e.g. Iran).

          Europe uses US logistical support because it can not because it has to - remember, no country in the world has the US logistical capabilities - doesn't mean no country is incapable of every doing anything by itself.

      •  But (0+ / 0-)

        this comparison isn't that great since large portions of Europe don't need to spend as much because we do it for them, basically. Take away NATO protection and these numbers might well change.

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