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  •  Amusing diary! Strong rec. (7+ / 0-)

    But, you must also agree that the Democrats should be accountable for not enforcing party discipline and getting a minimum of things done, right?

    If so, it's fair to criticize them now.

    •  Join the Impeach Obama Movement (2+ / 0-)
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      That's write the proclaimed flame thrower from the Willie Horton ad, the impeach Clinton movement has already started a petition.

      Enough is Enough Impeach Obama Now

      The steady drip drip drip by the Beck's and the Limbaugh's. The stealth campaign of Scott Brown, member of the Andrew Card clam.

      Bob Cesca thoughtfully adds that we simply don't have the luxury of being progressives purists (ala Jane Hamsher & Crew) right now. Says Bob, ".....There won't be any overturning of DOMA while multiple Republican House committees at the command of Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh (who the Republicans are loath to repudiate) are investigating the president for fictional ties to ACORN."

      Absolutism, including the liberal flavor, is always always dangerous to the Republic. Wake up liberals.

      •  ????? (1+ / 0-)
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        Seriously, no comprendo.

        •  methinks 'tis snark n/t (1+ / 0-)
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          •  I am saying this is (1+ / 0-)
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            a real possibility of liberal purists don't stop holding democrats hostage.

            Hamsher has already kidnapped the public option as must pass. I am saying that  liberal purity is going to increase the chance of the Dems losing a majority.

            I am asking for liberal absolutists who keep bashing Obama relentlessly need to get their head out of their asses, and realize the consequences of their actions.

            Especially since the big boys, the gunslingers that impeached Clinton are already way ahead of the game. Brown's win should make that obvious.

        •  The opposition (0+ / 0-)

          already has a head start. Get it? Were you surprised when Scott Brown won? Well keep holding out for liberal purity and don't be surprised that if Republicans take back the House they will call for Obama's impeachment.

          Click the Bob Cesca link and read it.

          •  I wasn't surprised Scott Brown won. (2+ / 0-)
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            And I'll be even less surprised is the Democrats lose 7-8 more Senate seats in November.

            And, given how Senate democrats have operated, I think that is fitting.

            Finally, I think the Senate should be stripped of virtually all of its powers just like like the Senate here in France and the other majorly undemocratic and aristocratic Western institution, this one in the UK, called the House of Lords.

            Yup, old Europe already got rid of the rule of Millionaires. We're all waiting for America to do the same.

          •  Umm...I think your perspective is skewed, miss... (1+ / 0-)
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            I don't think Brown won because of a "purity" issue, lol.

            He won because a more purely progressive activist wasn't fielded to seriously contend for the seat.  Someone capable and willing to challenge Brown's dissembling posture as a "moderate"...which I think was really a very profound indication that even Brown and the Republicans knew that a genuine progressive might have beat him.

            Otherwise, he would have posed as a flaming rightwing extremist, if that's what they really thought the people of the state wanted....

            Seems to me, the Democratic Party, such as it is, there, and nationally, played it "safe", following the conventional "wisdom", that only a relatively conservative candidate had a chance, and thus they proceeded to get their ass kicked, especially since the loser wasn't even ready or willing to really contend.

            Who knows what would have happened, if an articulate firebrand "liberal" activist had been available for people to consider?  Without trying, you'll never find out.

            I'm inclined to object to the "purity" meme as some kind of negative thing, though...

            I'd like nothing better than to see all Blue Dogs purged from the party, which I think would be the best thing that could happen, going into 2010.  Purity is good.

            The "purity" on the left that I object to, is that which refuses to recognize and accept the real politik, that the party is, indeed, in fact, impure, and what it's really going to take to change that.  The real politik is not that we "need" Blue Dogs,'s that we need to bring more viable alternatives to the Blue Dogs.

            Demanding purity of the impure is...insane, lol.  If we want purity, then we have to bring purity, and make damn sure it prevails, and not merely whine, mewl and puke over it all, and give up, and walk away in a huff, after the first round.

            "...a printing press is worth 10,000 rifles..." Ho Chi Minh

            by Radical def on Sun Jan 31, 2010 at 06:31:36 PM PST

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      •  so you consider common sense (1+ / 0-)
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        to be absolutism?!

        "Gawd! Why do you always want simple rights? Can't you just shut up and allow us adults who want numbers do the governing?"


        "It's not as easy as it may seem, remember that yerself is steam."

        by beanareenos on Sun Jan 31, 2010 at 03:01:48 PM PST

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        •  Common sense (0+ / 0-)

          is not letting the Republicans take over again.

          How did that work out for ya in Mass? Brown won remember.

          The long delay on health care for many reasons, but specifically liberals ranting about the public option, increased the chances of a Scott Brown win, with every 'common sense' rant about holding Obamas feat to the fire.

          •  what liberal delayed the bill? (1+ / 0-)
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            Jesus christ. How would passing good bills that most of America are for, that just happen to be teh evil liberal, mean that repubs will take over? What logic are you using here?


            "It's not as easy as it may seem, remember that yerself is steam."

            by beanareenos on Sun Jan 31, 2010 at 03:11:31 PM PST

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            •  Right over you head. (0+ / 0-)

              Never mind.

              If you don't get that perfection is the enemy of the good, then clap louder when the Republicans take back power.

              •  over my head? You did not answer my questions. (1+ / 0-)
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                "It's not as easy as it may seem, remember that yerself is steam."

                by beanareenos on Sun Jan 31, 2010 at 03:15:32 PM PST

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                •  I don't intend to (0+ / 0-)

                  You didn't read the links. So it's pointless.

                  Have fun in fantasy land.

                  •  have fun attacking and being bitter. (1+ / 0-)
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                    I read the links and they are silly. Obama has governed like a neo-liberal(ya know, like Clinton) and they still say that he is killing this country. So what is the point.

                    missliberties, it sounds like you want the Dems to govern like the right would want. Hell, clean coal anyone?!

                    So, over my head? Yes. I don't understand, once again, how you think governing like a conservative, what is happening now, is going to do to stop these people and elect more Dems? I really just don't get your point.

                    Blue dogs are the ones having harder times. Not progressives in elections. So, keep on floating over my head.

                    "It's not as easy as it may seem, remember that yerself is steam."

                    by beanareenos on Sun Jan 31, 2010 at 03:25:35 PM PST

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              •  wa-a-ay to win people over... (1+ / 0-)
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                and make them appreciate your point of view.

                •  He wasn't going to budge anyway (0+ / 0-)

                  That was obvious.

                  We must impeach the Blue Dogs for Treason by calling into question their integrity. That's the purist position.

                  •  What purist are you fucking talking about?! (0+ / 0-)

                    You must be some insane person sitting at your computer obsessed with the "purists!"

                    I think you must have hair all around your computer. What weird world are you living in? Please inform me.

                    A nice folk song for you:

                    Straw man here we come
                    to make a false point
                    Straw man here we are
                    pulling our hair out for no reason
                    oh, straw man
                    straw man
                    hair and pulling and purity
                    all the straw men come on
                    and show us your strings of hair

                    "It's not as easy as it may seem, remember that yerself is steam."

                    by beanareenos on Sun Jan 31, 2010 at 06:01:35 PM PST

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    •  Accountability...interesting word. (2+ / 0-)
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      I'm not above, or against, criticism of "teh Dems", heh.

      But I do think it's important for that to be principled, and that, in order for it to be rational, must also take a lot more into account, than mere simplistic absolutist idealist platitudes and opportunist slagging, for the sake of slagging.

      Criticism should be framed, I think, in clear comparison and contrast, to what the Republicans have done, and can be expected to do, if they seize back the power.

      For example, I do not believe there is any such thing as "clean coal" or "safe nukes", and I very much deplore the way Obama, Biden, and others keep asserting that false meme.

      But, oh well.  The fuckers keep saying it, and we have not succeeded, yet, in making them STFU on that, lol.

      I can only hope that they will at least remain true to their explicit rhetoric, and will thus have to eventually announce that after much research, study, consultation and consideration, they have no choice but to "now, finally" come to the conclusion that, in fact, there is no such thing as clean coal and safe nukes, lol, and that we shall therefore have to put our energy into other paradigms.

      As long as that happens, sooner or later (preferably sooner), I don't mind them hustling the Republicans, and even throwing them a few bones, in that regard, meanwhile, I guess.

      And if they don't figure it out themselves, then we'll just have to make them, lol, with a Congress that will draw the line, and set more correct priorities...which will not be accomplished by electoral boycott or splitting.

      It's a sticky issue of principle.  I'm not necessarily against research, per se, to see if such solutions as "clean" and "safe" can be developed... just extremely skeptical.

      If solutions appear that convince a substantial enough portion of the environmental scientists to concur with going that way, then I'm willing to be convinced.  I'm no luddite, heh.

      Meanwhile, however, there is that little issue of how much we can trust the Republicans and the Chamber of Commerce to even TRY to do the right thing, in terms of the environment, or any other given topic, and it seems like a no brainer to me, that the Democratic practice and program overall has proven far superior, even if far from perfect.

      Ultimately, the only material accountability is the elections.  Merely freaking out now, because things are not where we want them to be, presently, is no solution. The only material, effective solution is to elect different, better Democratic representatives, period.

      Surely you can see my point...demoralization, discouragement, alienation of the electorate, advising people to just give up on the Democrats, to boycott or split the vote, is NOT going to get us the results that we want and need, but will, rather, serve only the interests of the enemy.


      "...a printing press is worth 10,000 rifles..." Ho Chi Minh

      by Radical def on Sun Jan 31, 2010 at 03:23:51 PM PST

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