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  •  RL, can you give some feedback (5+ / 0-)

    on a question?  I think I'd like to see Virginia (and the nation in general) put a lot more emphasis on drilling for natural gas, including offshore drilling.  My feeling is that natural gas is far less damaging to the environment than oil or coal.  And the effects of drilling for it, and the dangers of transporting it, are also less dangerous.  Lastly, in Virginia, it could be a means of more quickly weaning ourselves off of supporting the coal constituency.

    Is this true or not?  I don't have hard facts about it myself, just generalizations.  Thanks for any insight you can provide.  I'll check back later.

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    by VirginiaJeff on Thu Jan 28, 2010 at 05:28:12 PM PST

    •  There's a blogger here, TX Sharon, (6+ / 0-)

      who has done many, many diaries on the damage caused by natural gas drilling, especially in Texas. It's not clean and not very safe for the environment.

      If she doesn't see your question herself, look up her diaries.

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      by Cpt Robespierre on Thu Jan 28, 2010 at 05:37:18 PM PST

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    •  I don't have hard facts either, just background: (6+ / 0-)

      enviros have considered an alliance with natgas as a bridge fuel for the reasons you've stated.  However, it hasn't gone anywhere, in part because of the fracking concerns.  

      I've never claimed to be a leader of the DK eco community

      by RLMiller on Thu Jan 28, 2010 at 05:49:49 PM PST

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      •  And the content of fracking solutions (1+ / 0-)
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        are considered a 'trade secret'. It is a problem here in W. Va. too. It may not always be just water, as the resident troll on wvablue believes. Even then when it comes back up it has dissolved salts in it and in Wyoming has posed a problem for grazing pastures.

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        by CA Berkeley WV on Fri Jan 29, 2010 at 06:24:24 AM PST

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    •  This is happening in northern Pa (7+ / 0-)

      And southern New York.

      A big problem is hydrologic fracturing or fracking:

      Thanks to lobbying by Halliburton and other energy companies, under the Bush-Cheney administration, fracking got exempted from the Clean Water Act even though it releases large quantities of undisclosed carcinogens and toxic chemicals into the earth and water supply.

      According to a recent study, conducted by the Environmental Working Group (EWG), just one drilling site deploys harmful chemicals sufficient "to contaminate more than 100 billion gallons of drinking water to unsafe levels ... more than 10 times as much water as the entire state of New York uses in a single day."

      The chemicals used in fracking "pose a serious threat to the nation's water supplies, but those risks have been largely ignored," says the report. "Drinking water contamination and property damage have been linked to hydraulic fracturing in four states--Colorado, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wyoming. In one incident that polluted a Colorado creek, the drilling company is still trying to clean it up--four years later."

      If we can get to the gas without fracking, we would be on to something.

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      by Casual Wednesday on Thu Jan 28, 2010 at 05:49:59 PM PST

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    •  I know people in Pennsylvania (2+ / 0-)
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      who would argue with you about the benign nature of drilling for gas.

      They are having slant wells drilled under their property and the water table is sinking (hell, the whole property is probably sinking).

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      by captainlaser on Thu Jan 28, 2010 at 07:36:34 PM PST

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