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  •  As probably one of the bigger...here (3.00)
    Well, I guess we'll see, won't we.

    'Meantime, one point an ABDer may not have considered. Right now, looking ahead to '08, the R's have a solid brace of existing brand names for their people to choose from and adopt:

    Bush (Jeb)
    McCain
    Giuliani (assuming he can put the Kerik taint behind him)
    Frist (not quite a brand name but close)
    Ridge (Tom)

    and we have...

    Hillary?

    The reality is, that means the Dems start out with only an incredible liability to start with. Hil would be a catastrophe and even the DLC types seem to know it. That leaves Boring (cf Evan Bayh et. al.) and Unknown to choose from. And if it ain't Hil (please God, no) then we get to spend the first half of our money telling people who the hell she or he is.

    So I'd think that an ABDer like you would actually WANT Dean for DNC chair - because it takes him out of the field for '08 AND it's clear, based on his track record with Kerry, that he is able to be a team player (just ask Kerry's campaign staff in DC, for ex.). And one thing you can't refute is that Dean can be a huge help in raising that first half of the money.

    If your heart truly burns for a Rendell (Clinton issues?), a Richardson (ditto) or even someone like Rich Young Former Governor Mark Warner, I think you need to reconsider your ABD membership.

    Otherwise, we're comin' for ya, m'boy, and we ain't takin' no (or "electability" - remember THAT one?) for an answer this time.

    •  Bah (none)
      I think Kerry or Gore would make a strong candidate in '08.  Certainly Kerry, with some polishing and better staff.

      "If any question why we died, Tell them, because our fathers lied." - Rudyard Kipling, 1918

      by Steve4Clark on Mon Jan 03, 2005 at 10:49:44 AM PST

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      •  Now there's a leap of faith... (none)
        Certainly Kerry, with some polishing and better staff.

        He changed staff more than some folks change socks.

        What makes you think he'd act any differently in a second run?

        •  C'Mon Bob (none)
          You KNOW that if he ran again Kerry would NEVER wear a barn jacket the color of Grey Poupon mustard.
          •  He looked funny with his head popping out of that (none)
            ... tank.

            Oh wait...

            That wasn't Kerry...

            •  Slightly O/T (none)
              The guy who was in charge of advance at the General Dynamics Tank Plant in Warren MI where that event was staged managed a campaign in Michigan a few years later.  Some friends of mine from that campaign ran into Dukakis at some event a few years ago, and they asked him if he remembered (person's name witheld, even though he was a jackass).  The Duke squinted a bit, and looked at them for a second or two, and said, "Oh, you mean (person's name witheld, even though he was a jackass), the Kiss of Death?"  

              My friends burst out laughing.  Apparently the Duke barely grinned.  

      •  Oh dear God no. (none)
        I think Kerry or Gore would make a strong candidate in '08.

        I like both men, but voters have flushed these two, and you can't polish a turd, as they say.

        I think that with a few small exceptions, Kerry ran the best campaign he could within his limitations.  Gore has more room for positive improvement, but I cannot imagine either candidate making a successful, fresh run in 2008.

    •  How about (none)
      Kirk-Fowler (National/General) chair for DNC and Warner or Vislack for '08 candidates.

      Solution solved, no Dean involved.  Dean should continue at DFA doing his thing, which is good.  But as any official face of the party?  That'd be awful

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