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  •  What is an independent? (0+ / 0-)

    Given how fundamentally different they are, how could any informed voter not have a clear preference for one or the other of the two major parties? And I know, someone will say that they are not all that different - look, the Dems can be very disappointing, but they are not the reflexive authoritarians that the Republicans are.

    One could despise both, in which a voter might choose to vote third party or not vote at all - that I can understand. But people who are genuinely swing voters, moving from D to R and back again every election - it makes no sense to me.

    ("Informed," I would guess, is the key word here.)

    Conservatives believe evil comes from violating rules. Liberals believe evil comes from violating each other.

    by tcorse on Mon Feb 01, 2010 at 02:00:42 PM PST

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    •  I imagine these voters are as "informed" as the (0+ / 0-)

      "independents" we see interviewed in the weeks prior to presidential elections.  You know, the "undecideds" that have so much information they just don't know which ring to toss their hats into.

      •  And more informed than most party members, I (0+ / 0-)

        would imagine.

        You know the ones --- straight ticket voters, I'm a Republican/Democrat because we've always been Republicans/Democrats, etc.

        Free speech? Yeah, I've heard of that. Have you?

        by dinotrac on Mon Feb 01, 2010 at 02:13:10 PM PST

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    •  Are you kidding? That's easy. (0+ / 0-)

      I am fundamentally conservative. On many things, I tilt in the Republican direction -- even though they have abandoned anything that resembles true conservatism.

      But...

      Republicans are very bad on two issues I hold near and dear:

      1. The true impact of people on our environment -- and the impact to come of 6 billion people leaving the "developing" category.

      Much as I think Democrats are out to lunch on this issue, at least they acknowledge it.

      1.  Ummmm... Health Care is killing us.  It wouldn't bother me at all to see somebody try to actually introduce some free market into health care, but...that ain't happenin'.  Don't believe me? Ask you doctor how much something's going to cost.

      So -- what do you do if the parties suck? You don't belong.  You might vote for people you think are ok.
      You might vote for one party over the other when they accidentally manage to do something right, but ...

      cheez!

      As to being reflexively authoritarian, I don't see how any objective observer could see an advantage of one party over the other.

      Free speech? Yeah, I've heard of that. Have you?

      by dinotrac on Mon Feb 01, 2010 at 02:12:05 PM PST

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    •  Everyone has a couple beliefs that cross over (1+ / 0-)
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      I myself am probably an 85% Democrat, 15% Republican.  Some people here are probably quite a bit closer to 50%/50%.  Even those who claim to be 100% probably aren't, and if they are, well, that's just kinda weird.  :)  Now, even back when I was a Republican, I was still probably only 45% Republican, 55% Democrat, but the Republican issues were the ones I really cared about at the time, so they outweighed the rest.  But especially since the Republican part has thrown all fiscal conservatism (or even fiscal sanity) out the window, that reason for voting Republican is moot.  :)

      Ah, hell, looks like we won't be able to make the touchdown after all, so even though we're in field goal range, lets just give the ball to the other guys.

      by cartwrightdale on Mon Feb 01, 2010 at 04:53:28 PM PST

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