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  •  Worked hard on that did you. (0+ / 0-)

    Linkies, analysis, comparative statistics - nah don't bother with all this serious stuff, just say it is so.

    Fu**in eejit.

    My bags are packed, I'm ready to go. I'm standing here outside the door.

    by senilebiker on Wed Feb 03, 2010 at 08:19:32 AM PST

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    •  He's the eejit? (1+ / 0-)
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      KVoimakas

      He gave as many links and such as you did in the post he was replying to.

      Actually, PavePusher's statement has been shown to be true in more than one of these diaries -- your statement has been shown to be untrue in more than one of these diaries.  

      No real point in hashing it all out again -- you'll still feel free to make unsupported, empty claims.

      •  Goon - how apt (0+ / 0-)

        You have failed to argue one single point-you just follow the republican right wing mantra that if you say it often enough it must be true.

        I am perfectly happy to have a debate, but your posts have not advanced one single reason why guns are good.

        You have not responded to any of my arguments, just engaged in an ad hominem attack.  Go play with your toys.

        My bags are packed, I'm ready to go. I'm standing here outside the door.

        by senilebiker on Wed Feb 03, 2010 at 10:14:37 AM PST

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        •  You've not made an argument yet. (1+ / 0-)
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          You simply state the same false claims over and over -- then accuse me of doing such.  
          Your claims are regularly debunked.  Why should I do so again, when each time someone does so, you do the textual equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting "Blah-blah-blah"?

          Really, you're beneath responding to any more at this point.  You have fun, knowing you're right, no matter what the facts say -- just keep on ignoring 'em.

          •  Please explain (0+ / 0-)

            why there are less gun related deaths in countries where there are stronger controls on gun ownership?

            If you want the statistic I will get it for you, with a link, but as an example in the UK there were only about 50 gun related homicides for a population of 60 million last year.

            If you have no arguments, or you can't back them up with fact, then just STFU.

            My bags are packed, I'm ready to go. I'm standing here outside the door.

            by senilebiker on Wed Feb 03, 2010 at 01:00:11 PM PST

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            •  I'll try one last time... (1+ / 0-)
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              I've seen you have civil discussions before, so I'll give it one last shot.

              What happens in foreign countries is irrelevant.  In this particular thread, and these diaries, the discussion is about the United States.  If you don't like that, feel free to complain all you like, it won't change the fact.  As you discussed in another sub-thread, these are different cultures.  You are focusing on one aspect of those cultures, and ignoring all else.  

              There are any number of reasons why there may or may not be fewer gun-related deaths in other countries, to make an exhaustive list would be impossible in this venue -- nor would it be productive.  

              In the United States, the number of guns does not correlate with the number of gun crimes.  That may sound counter-intuitive, but it is the case, nonetheless.  One pretty basic discussion of this fact can be seen here, and has been covered in greater or lesser detail many times in these very diaries, perhaps you missed them.

              I would, however, be interested to see what you consider an ad hominem attack, since you accuse of engaging in them.  I made the same charge, and was referring to your numerous oh-so-witty plays on the word "idiot" and calling people nuts for wanting to be able to defend themselves.  If, of course, you can't provide any, you may feel free to take your own advice and "just STFU."

              Additionally, you may feel free to do the same in the face of the fact that your arguments have, once again, been given more attention than they deserve, as they are simply reiterations of the same thing.  I do, however, expect you to keep making them, debunked or not.

              •  Hardly an objective resource. (0+ / 0-)

                Gun nuts home site

                As with any social statistic many factors come into play, and the general reason that most objective studies give for the fall in crime rates in the US is demography, which your quoted site says is solely due to the availability of abortion.

                Even with a reduction in guncrime/deaths/suicides over the last few years, the US is still exponentially worse on gun crime than countries which have stronger controls on gun ownership.

                The real give away in your comment is

                calling people nuts for wanting to be able to defend themselves.

                .

                Why is it only in the US people feel such a need to defend themselves - could it possibly be that are too many eejits (Irish slang, not word play) out there with guns? In Europe, the only people who feel the need to defend themselves from gun toteing bad guys are gang bangers and criminals.

                Maybe the US is just a failed state.

                My bags are packed, I'm ready to go. I'm standing here outside the door.

                by senilebiker on Thu Feb 04, 2010 at 05:32:12 AM PST

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                •  So, you're shown to be wrong... (1+ / 0-)
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                  ...and still insist you're right.

                  I tried.  I'm done.

                  I'm sure you'll trot out the same tired, debunked nonsense in the next thread -- it'll be shot down there, too, for the benefit of anyone else reading it, and you'll continue to ignore facts and engage in irrelevant, false claims and ad-hominem attacks.

                  I see no point in pointing out your fallacies in this thread any more -- even though I tried civility and facts here.  Not to worry, you'll be proven wrong soon enough, the next time you try the same nonsense in the next thread.

                  Have fun with your poo-flinging.

      •  Unsupported empty claims? (0+ / 0-)

        Upthread I quoted a statisitic that there are pro rata more gun deaths /injuries in the US per week than there are in the UK in a year. This is substantive. You want links - no problem.

        There are less guns in the Uk, France, germany, Spain, italy, Belgium, etc etc, and the incidence of gun crime is very significantly less. This is empirical evidence.

        Do you dispute these facts? Or do you ignore them becuase they don't suppport your idea of a "lock and load" culture.?

        My bags are packed, I'm ready to go. I'm standing here outside the door.

        by senilebiker on Wed Feb 03, 2010 at 10:21:20 AM PST

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    •  I see you are only here to fling poo. (2+ / 0-)
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      KVoimakas, theatre goon

      Very Progressive of you.

      http://www.justice.gov/

      All been posted here and elsewhere many, many times.

      Good day to you.

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