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  •  While Obama waits for BIPARTISANSHIP (23+ / 0-)

    We wait for SOLUTIONS...

    "A lie isn't a side of a story. It's just a lie." The Wire

    by glutz78 on Tue Feb 02, 2010 at 09:13:53 AM PST

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    •  I doubt Obama waits for bipartisanship now (14+ / 0-)

      But I think he knows that it is important for him to keep making the gestures because the moment he stops it becomes another hammer for the Right to pound him with. Right now we get to pound them with lack of bipartisanship. Why give them the tool?

      While he makes those moves he distracts some people enough that a few other things get done behind the screen. Little things, but in the long run, the piling up of little things while the big things like health care are stuck can make a huge difference.

      But I think they will pull off health care soon.

      •  Maybe, but did you see his answer to the YouTube (13+ / 0-)

        question re: healthcare?

        the way the rules work in the United States Senate, you've got to have 60 votes for everything. After the special election in Massachusetts, we now only have 59. We are calling on our Republican colleagues to get behind a serious health reform bill, one that actually provides not only the insurance reforms for people who do have health insurance but also the coverage for folks who don't.

        1. No, we don't need 60
        1. Why the hell are we "calling" people with hands over their ears?
      •  It occured to me... (9+ / 0-)
        ...and I certainly hope it's the case, that Obama's attempts at "bipartisanship" are simply public demostrations of why bipartisanship isn't possible.

        He reaches a hand to republicans, and they bite it off, usually in front of everyone.

        These days, politics only serve to give people an excuse to be assholes.

        by DawnG on Tue Feb 02, 2010 at 10:11:22 AM PST

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      •  not to mention (3+ / 0-)
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        The vast vast majority of "concessions to Republicans" are actually concessions to conservative Democrats.

        There's also his tactic of portraying various policies as being "fixed" versions of "Republicans ideas".

        Obama is willing to talk if Republicans are, but in practice, he's given very little up while creating a solid perception of a willingness to work with them. Best of both world really.

        •  given up very little?!? (3+ / 0-)
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          Other than a larger stimulus, financial reform, and most of all the public option?

          I'm a part of the reality-based community, not the personality-based community.

          by Uberbah on Tue Feb 02, 2010 at 10:28:13 AM PST

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          •  to conservative Democrats (0+ / 0-)

            Please try to follow along, children.

            •  wow, self awareness much? (2+ / 0-)
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              to conservative Democrats

              Wrong:

              Obama is willing to talk if Republicans are, but in practice, he's given very little up while creating a solid perception of a willingness to work with them. Best of both world really.

              Please try and pull your head out.

              I'm a part of the reality-based community, not the personality-based community.

              by Uberbah on Tue Feb 02, 2010 at 12:24:57 PM PST

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              •  Christ you're dense (2+ / 0-)
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                Obama has talked a lot about wanting to work with Republicans and embracing some of their ideas (after heavy modification). This gives him the appearance of being a reasonable bipartisan (which the public wants in polls) while Republicans look like spoiled little shits. This will payoff political down the line because it exposes them as the obstructionists that they are.

                In terms of actual policy concessions, all the significant ones have been to placate conservative Democrats. The public option didn't get jettisoned to win over Chuck Grassley - it got tossed to win over Nelson, Lieberman, Landrieu and several other Democrats.

                Obama talks about the tax cuts in the stimulus package as being something conservative Republicans can/should support, but they were included to get the support of moderate Republicans (who he got to vote for the package) and conservative Democrats, not conservative Republicans like Jim DeMint or McConnell.

                And of course, talking to moderate Republicans helps reduce the leverage of conservative Democrats during the negotiating process because you're saying you can walk away from them and get that last vote from someplace else.

                It's not a difficult concept to grasp but for the purity left, it apparently is.

                •  seriously, just how stupid are you, really? (2+ / 0-)
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                  Once again, what you wrote:

                  Obama is willing to talk if Republicans are, but in practice, he's given very little up while creating a solid perception of a willingness to work with them.

                  Obama has given up yard after yard on every issue under the sun, except for military matters (since Republicans like more war, Pentagon spending and no accountability for torture).  Republicans have given up nothing, and conservadems were not in that sentence.

                  Pull.  Your.  Head.  Out.

                  I'm a part of the reality-based community, not the personality-based community.

                  by Uberbah on Tue Feb 02, 2010 at 02:34:31 PM PST

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                  •  Then name some concessions (0+ / 0-)

                    that were made to Republicans, not conservative Democrats.

                    I mean, you seem to think that Ben Nelson and Joe Lieberman had nothing to do with the public option going by the wayside. How stupid are you?

                    •  omg you are pathetic (0+ / 0-)

                      ...as even your attempts to move the goalposts are a FAIL.  Your point was Obama's lack of concessions to Republicans.  Not only do Obama's caves to Nelson and Lieberman not have anything to do with that, they only serve to highlight his weakness some more.

                      I'm a part of the reality-based community, not the personality-based community.

                      by Uberbah on Wed Feb 03, 2010 at 12:17:59 PM PST

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                      •  Once again name some concessions (0+ / 0-)

                        I said Obama hasn't made concessions to Republicans, just to conservative Democrats. You disagreed.

                        Name some concessions to Republicans since there's apparently so many. There's the stimulus of course, but those were to moderates who actually (and crucially) voted for the final package.

                        You've been harping on and on that Obama is selling out to Republicans and you've yet to name anything.

                        Stop being a tool or shut the fuck up.

      •  you say that as if it would be a change (5+ / 0-)

        But I think he knows that it is important for him to keep making the gestures because the moment he stops it becomes another hammer for the Right to pound him with.

        They "pound" him over the way he orders a damned cheeseburger.  It's long past time that Democrats stop being afraid of their own shadows and what those mean Republicans will say about them.  Not only does it make for weak sauce, but both the public and even Republicans will respect you more if you stand up for yourself.

        I'm a part of the reality-based community, not the personality-based community.

        by Uberbah on Tue Feb 02, 2010 at 10:23:27 AM PST

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