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  •  I don't think I quite agree with that. (0+ / 0-)

    Politicians will only react to activists if they are also going to influence the votes in their districts. Activists, as showcased here anyway, are all over the map and as fickle as grasshoppers.  They are not really organised in a way that actually shifts entrenched institutional ideas or positions.

    They never reward, they punish indiscriminately. Anyone who has kids knows that doesn't work as a tactic to change behviour.

    •  Bloggers aren't actovists (1+ / 0-)
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      What I mean by activists are people that knock on doors, make phone calls, pass out literature, etc...

      It's a two way street.  If activists work hard for a policy only to be jilted by those who promised to deliver, they turn off.

      Blogging is another animal.  I guess I really don't believe in blogging activism.  I don't think bloggers influence getting policy enacted or elections that much but they do influence opinion to a degree.

      The shortest distance between two points is never a straight line.

      by noofsh on Wed Feb 03, 2010 at 12:20:07 PM PST

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      •  well, with that I totally agree. And that is (0+ / 0-)

        actually how Obama won, all kinds of people, young and old, turned out to man the phones, knock on the doors etc. that had never down so before. Elections are won precinct by precinct.

        I don't have much faith at all in so-called on-line activism either.  As to influencing opinion, there you are probably right, but if this one is any example they turn more people off than on, and actually prove detrimental to getting out the vote.

        The Mass election was an excellent example, for everyone saying get out the vote, there were those saying, no she's a dreadful candidate and doesn't deserve our vote. The result was that the oppossition won.

        Then the bloggers blamed the candidate.  Blame doesn't win elections, but that doesn't seem to bother bloggers.

        •  There is an intersection between blogging (1+ / 0-)
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          and activism.  Professional activists do use blogs, as well as email, mass mailing, to get messages out.  But, the two really don't line up with each other.

          I agree with you on many points.  People didn't get out there for Coakley.  People also didn't get out there for Corzine.  I was involved on a volunteer basis in that campaign.  After seeing more than a dozen campaigns, I seen clearly that we would lose.
          Winning elections takes alot of work.

          I guess I am just dubious that blogging is a major factor in the polls that KOS reports.  There are other more important factors at work.  We haven't done a good job at answering the anger voters have at job losses, foreclosures, etc... while bailing out the people who created the problem.

          If we succeed in passing a strong health care bill that puts people's interest first I think we can overcome the narrative that the government is stacked against the "common guy/ gal".

          As hard as it is to believe, Republicans are once again succeeding at the narrative that they are the real populists.  That's the tactic Brown used to win in MA.

          The shortest distance between two points is never a straight line.

          by noofsh on Wed Feb 03, 2010 at 12:44:39 PM PST

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      •  says who? (0+ / 0-)

        I'm a part of the reality-based community, not the personality-based community.

        by Uberbah on Wed Feb 03, 2010 at 03:38:33 PM PST

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