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  •  I suspect this decision splits the baby (1+ / 0-)
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    It shows action on repealing DADT but gives the military enough time to get us out of Iraq (Afghanistan?) so that it takes away the argument  "but we're in the middle of two wars!" that the opposition so likes to use.

    •  not to mention the fact (1+ / 0-)
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      ...that it punts the decision beyond the November elections.

      There's that fierce urgency of whenever again.

      What a joke.

      "I have lived with several Zen masters -- all of them cats." - Eckhart Tolle

      by catnip on Tue Feb 02, 2010 at 01:49:46 PM PST

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      •  Not necesarily - if Congress votes to repeal (1+ / 0-)
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        DADT, it will be repealed.  Most laws passed by congress don't take immediate affect.

        Remember the new credit card/bank fees legislation signed late June?  Law only went into effect Feb 1, 2010.

        The real question is, will a stop loss order be issued, or is the military going to keep purging its ranks?

        BTW - some of the gays discharged hadn't "told;" it appears the armed forces investigated them, found out they were gay and discharged them.  (Some of the soldiers were discharged when they had 18, 19 years of service - they were pushed out while being within months of getting a 20 year pension.)

        •  do you really think congress will act (1+ / 0-)
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          ...before this so-called study/review is done? Not likely.

          "I have lived with several Zen masters -- all of them cats." - Eckhart Tolle

          by catnip on Tue Feb 02, 2010 at 02:02:17 PM PST

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          •  Fact check on aisle three... (0+ / 0-)

            This study is NOT on WHETHER to repeal. Christ on a cracker, I can't believe this is in a front-page diary.

            The study has NOTHING to do with repealing DADT. What's wrong with everyone around here? Are you fucking deaf?

            The study is on how to implement the repeal, and that's what we want. I am 100% in favor of this study.

            "Jane, you ignorant slut." --Dan Aykroyd, Saturday Night Live

            by homogenius on Tue Feb 02, 2010 at 02:48:55 PM PST

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            •  Easy champ (0+ / 0-)

              No need to go all postal on the community with F-bombs.

              Gates said,
              " We must proceed in a manner that Allows for the thorough Examination of all issues. And an important part of this Process is to engage our men and Women in uniform and their Families over this period. Since after all, they will Ultimately determine whether or Not we make this transition Successfully."

              I see the "Examination of all issues" as part of compiling a bill and not implementing it since you must, necessarily, examine the issues before you can implement them. Further, one doesn't typically bring in the "men and Women in uniform and their Families" AFTER passing the bill, you get comments and suggestions BEFORE passing the bill. I hope you're right but I suspect this is saying we'll pass a bill in 11 months and then implement further down the road.

            •  deity on a biscuit! chill out (1+ / 0-)
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              Early in his testimony, Mr. Gates made clear that he was acting at the behest of President Obama, who reaffirmed his opposition to the existing law in his State of the Union address last week. Mr. Gates then threw the final decision back to the legislative branch.

              "We have received our orders from the commander in chief, and we are moving out accordingly," Mr. Gates told the committee. "However, we can also take this process only so far, as the ultimate decision rests with you, the Congress."

              Any change in the policy would not come any time soon, the two officials made clear. Both Admiral Mullen and Mr. Gates told the committee that there would be a Pentagon review, taking up to a year, to study how to implement any change before they expected Congress to act on a repeal.

              Passage of repeal is far from assured, judging from the negative reaction from some Republicans on the committee, most notably Senator John McCain of Arizona, who pronounced himself "deeply disappointed" in Mr. Gates.

              "I have lived with several Zen masters -- all of them cats." - Eckhart Tolle

              by catnip on Tue Feb 02, 2010 at 09:06:42 PM PST

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    •  The objection... (0+ / 0-)

      of "we're in the middle of two wars" is not a point that supports DADT.   If these wars are so important, then we should be keeping as many servicemembers and mission-critical professionals as possible -- not discharging them because they won't go along with a lie.  

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