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  •  No, but I can see your point. (0+ / 0-)

    In a broad sense, left v right, Democrat v. Republican, morons are pretty evenly distributed.  Even among independents.  Not the same morons, perhaps, but there are enough to go around.

    I agree that independents are not some 'mythical center'.
    The notion is silly and misunderstands the very idea of what it means to be independent.

    I've never claimed otherwise.

    Free speech? Yeah, I've heard of that. Have you?

    by dinotrac on Wed Feb 03, 2010 at 06:21:07 AM PST

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    •  I tend to (0+ / 0-)

      disagree on the even spread, as I think in order to get an even spread, you'd have to take as an axiom that idiotic stances were equally attractive over time.

      Stupid folks are more easily swayed by demagoguery, and we simply don't have a whole network of demagogues on the left like the right does.  We have a few, scattered around, but not well bankrolled.

      So even if you START with some sort of equal distribution, over time more will have migrated to the right simply because they're the ones evangelizing to the stupid more.  It's a message war, and the right is sucking in the stupid.  If they can get them to vote, it's a brilliant strategy.

      The left has traditionally had the attitude that if you simply explain the benefits of lefty viewpoint, people will vote left, ignoring decades of data that people will be swayed to vote against their own interests if you simply confuse them and appeal to their baser emotions.

      I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible you may be mistaken. - Oliver Cromwell

      by Ezekial 23 20 on Wed Feb 03, 2010 at 06:29:58 AM PST

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      •  No demagogues? (0+ / 0-)

        Riiiiiight.

        I would think that, over time, stupid people will tend to shift left because it is so appealing to believe that an all-encompassing government can provide your needs at no cost to you or to your freedom.

        Free speech? Yeah, I've heard of that. Have you?

        by dinotrac on Wed Feb 03, 2010 at 06:43:35 AM PST

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        •  I didn't say 'no'. (0+ / 0-)

          We don't have nearly the network of them, with as large audiences.

          Even Olbermann, who might be considered one of the most successful demagogues on the left concedes, regularly, that he doesn't have nearly the audience size Fox does.

          Your last sentence equates stupidity with a desire to simply be given money for nothing.  You could make that same charge against the ultra-wealthy, who believe they should be able to simply be given money and never have to work because they were lucky enough to be born to the 'right' family.  And yet most of them are Republicans.

          Stupidity isn't about whether or not you want to be 'given money'.  But it can be tied to voting against your own self interests.  It's not stupid to vote tax cuts for the wealthy - IF you're wealthy.  That's self interest.  

          It's greedy, maybe amoral or even immoral, but not stupid.  But it's stupid to do so if you're not wealthy.  And generations of poor Republicans have continued to vote into power 'leaders' who directly work against their own interests, shifting the tax burden off of the wealthy and onto the poor and middle class.

          I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible you may be mistaken. - Oliver Cromwell

          by Ezekial 23 20 on Wed Feb 03, 2010 at 07:08:44 AM PST

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          •  It is stupid to believe that the government (0+ / 0-)

            can provide your needs at no cost.

            And it is stupid to vote against your own interests, but it's also stupid to presume that you fully understand the interests for others.

            For example, some parent sacrifice greatly so that their kids can go to good colleges and have good careers.

            So -- what is in their interest? A little sugar today, or more opportunity for the children for whom they have sacrificed.

            Life is more complicated than progressives make it out to be.

            Free speech? Yeah, I've heard of that. Have you?

            by dinotrac on Wed Feb 03, 2010 at 07:14:40 AM PST

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    •  not evenly distributed (1+ / 0-)
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      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Wed Feb 03, 2010 at 06:30:47 AM PST

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      •  So? Would you really expect idiot Republicans (0+ / 0-)

        to be the same as idiot Democrats?

        The world is full of things to be stupid about.

        Free speech? Yeah, I've heard of that. Have you?

        by dinotrac on Wed Feb 03, 2010 at 06:39:39 AM PST

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        •  true (2+ / 0-)
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          but that's no reason for a party to write their platform accordingly. see terri Schiavo and Congress to see what I mean.

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Wed Feb 03, 2010 at 07:36:01 AM PST

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