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  •  It isn't (0+ / 0-)

    Especially in the context of the diary. No one is going to assasinate Quakers for terrorist activity, which is what this diary is about.

    •  I'm betting some people (4+ / 0-)

      said that about Kent State, too.

      The legal definition(s) of terrorism are many. And we already know that domestic groups have been designated as terrorist. We know that peace groups, even grannies, have been under surveillance.

      I'm glad Obama is in charge right now. But what if the next president is a paranoid demagogue who fears liberals? Or Catholics? Or gays?

      •  It's actually got a specific defintion (0+ / 0-)

        Under federal law. that said, your position is based on a slippery slope argument. basically worrying about outcomes that haven't got a chance of becoming true. In theory, yeah, it's possible that someday we'll elect a president that thinks Catholics are terrorists and gives the green light to shoot them. It's also possible that I will win lotto. OTOH, we have documented cases of US citizens taking up arms to side with people who mean to kill us.

        •  If you have one specific definition (2+ / 0-)
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          I'd like to know it. Because a simple search for a definition indicates that there are different ones, depending on whose authority you are looking for.

          I have to disagree with your thinking that such killings don't happen, because they do. Maybe not here, not now, but they have happened and they will happen. You can look at Haymarket Square and other labor killings if Kent State isn't convincing enough.

          •  here tis (0+ / 0-)

            http://www.law.cornell.edu/...

            That's the legal defintion of terrorism. What happened in Kent state, while horrible,was not a reaction to terrorism or alleged terrorism. It's not what is being discussed here. The policy articulated by Blair concerns US citizens involved in anti US terrorist actions overseas. Kent State was a riot that got out of hand. Wrong, yes. Not an "anti terrorism" tactic. Haymarket Square was in 1896 for God's sake. It's also the converse of what what are discussion, for there, civilians killed government workers, the policemen.

            •  That's one definition (4+ / 0-)
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              There are others, according to some authorities.

              Note this one:

              The definition of domestic terrorism is broad enough to encompass the activities of several prominent activist campaigns and organizations. Greenpeace, Operation Rescue, Vieques Island and WTO protesters and the Environmental Liberation Front have all recently engaged in activities that could subject them to being investigated as engaging in domestic terrorism.  

              I understand that you are arguing a somewhat different point, that is, international terrorism; what I am saying is that people have been extrajudicially killed and it is self-deceiving to pretend it will not happen again. Especially when the authority to do so is given "legal" backing.

              The kids killed at Kent State were not rioting. Maybe you weren't around back then. There's nothing like an event like that to give you an idea of what our government is capable of.

              Anyway, thank you for the thoughtful and polite discussion.

    •  The point of the diary is "Not yet." The point of (6+ / 0-)

      the diary is that once you go down the road of letting star chambers decide who is to be assassinated the sole criterion for being a target is who is doing the deciding.

      "I'm mean in the East, mean in the West. Mean to the people that I like best. ... I push folks down, and I cause train wrecks." Woody Guthrie

      by Terra Mystica on Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 07:37:21 AM PST

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      •  I remember hearing about how Corporations (1+ / 0-)
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        were not really people and we didn't have to worry about them getting access to control over our electoral system.

        Democracy - 1 person 1 vote. Free Markets - More dollars more power.

        by k9disc on Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 10:24:57 PM PST

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