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  •  The employees are not the problem, (6+ / 0-)

    except for the relative few at the top. I'm sure many Kossacks are employed by corporations and wouldn't fault anyone for that. We certainly shouldn't be divided about that.

    For two summers during college, I worked on an assembly line for a corporation, then called Baxter Laboratories. Twenty-five years later, I was working at the local newspaper and the CEO of Baxter Healthcare International came in to explain the latest lay-offs and proclaim the wonders of globalization.

    In return, they sent some of their engineers into the high school to help students learn to make robots. Now other corporations are involved -- all in robotics. Talk about a bitch slap!

    They are the borg. They must be defeated (if it's not already too late).

    •  I think that's too easy. (4+ / 0-)

      They are the borg.

      Corporations don't hire people.  They assimilate them.  It's easy to see that around here.  We have plenty of people employed in the financial industry who may be great progressives on war/peace issues, LGBT issues, even healthcare.  But they will defend their industry even in these times when their employers are indefensible.  Part of that is self-interest (like the politicians we love to criticize), but part of it is a blindspot carefully developed by the employers with the tacit consent of the employee.

      But the larger problem is that corporations don't function without income from consumers, investment money from pension funds and other sources, and most importantly, without workers.

      If you're saying that lower level employees have no say in how the corporation is run, you're absolutely right.  Greider points out that workers and corporations have entered into a bargain.  The workers give up having any say in how the corporation is run.  The corporation gives the workers "absolution" for any effects their work has on the broader community.  Nobody ends up being responsible for their own actions.

      Once you acknowledge that, working for the Corporate Masters (and employment in the U.S. is clearly a master/servant relationship) begins to sound a lot like "I was only following orders."

      But I appreciate your response.  My intent is to be provocative.

      "Capitalism is irresponsibility organized into a system." -- Emil Brunner

      by goinsouth on Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 04:08:04 PM PST

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      •  Except, of course, that lower level (3+ / 0-)
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        employees have all the say in how corporation is run, when they exercise their power.

        That power isn't easy or cheap to exercise...but workers certainly have it.

        Laura Compton, spokesperson for Mormonsformarriage.com "I've always said that it's a coalition and the Mormons are Goliath."

        by JesseCW on Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 04:30:37 PM PST

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        •  No say institutionally. (2+ / 0-)
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          At least in most circumstances.

          Some exceptions:

          When employees assume part of the ownership of a corporation, usually in times of distress.  Even then, it's very tough for employees to actually gain a role in managing a company--see United Airlines.  Greider has a few examples of when employee ownership has succeeded in changing corporate culture.

          When employees organize and form a union. BUT, the Wagner Act and its subsequent interpretation limits employees' say to matters of wages, hours, working conditions.  Workers have no collective bargaining rights when it comes to what a company sells or how it markets its products.

          There are other forms of organization where employees do have a say, like worker cooperatives.  That form of organization fosters worker involvement and responsibility.

          "Capitalism is irresponsibility organized into a system." -- Emil Brunner

          by goinsouth on Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 04:48:14 PM PST

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        •  Now you're talking. (1+ / 0-)
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          Those folks are likely to be short-timers though.

          It beats a resignation letter.  It sure as hell beats "go along, get along."

          "Capitalism is irresponsibility organized into a system." -- Emil Brunner

          by goinsouth on Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 05:40:43 PM PST

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      •  "They assimilate them." (2+ / 0-)
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        LOL! That's exactly what the borg did ;)

        Yes, lower-level employees' lack-of-say is exactly what I mean. My intent, on the other hand, is to be inclusive of them to strengthen our numbers and efforts against the beast.

        "Too big to fail" needs to be broken up at the highest levels. If we can "assimilate" the workers into our group, we'll be that much stronger.

        IMHO.

        •  Who co-opts whom? (2+ / 0-)
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          That's the question.  Looking around the Democratic Party these days, I think the answer is pretty apparent.

          And, given the dire economic and political straits we're in, I don't think it's the wrong time for a community that professes belief in progressive ideals to call itself and its members to account for their behavior and activity beyond the very narrow realm of conventional, i.e. electoral political activity.

          "Capitalism is irresponsibility organized into a system." -- Emil Brunner

          by goinsouth on Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 04:50:56 PM PST

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    •  Yes, they are. (2+ / 0-)
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      We all make choices about what we will or will not support, what we will or will not enable.

      Just because none of us are innocent doesn't mean we're not all guilty.

      Laura Compton, spokesperson for Mormonsformarriage.com "I've always said that it's a coalition and the Mormons are Goliath."

      by JesseCW on Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 04:27:57 PM PST

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      •  People would rather not think about it. (0+ / 0-)

        It's much easier to congratulate ourselves on how we're so much smarter, so much more progressive, so much more compassionate than the Tea Baggers and the neo-cons.  We vote the right way.  We donate to Act Blue.  Aren't we great?

        Then we spend the other 95% of our time, effort and money supporting corporatocracy.

        How the politicians and their corporate owners must laugh at us and our hypocrisy.

        "Capitalism is irresponsibility organized into a system." -- Emil Brunner

        by goinsouth on Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 05:58:21 PM PST

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