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  •  No doubt. It's gotten to the point now where (3+ / 0-)
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    I'm ready to say, "Look, let me pay YOU. Just give me a job!" I'm not a good enough actor to say, "Please, I beg you: honor me by giving me a 50% pay cut. More! I yearn to work at the rate I was making 15 years ago!" Not even Olivier could pull that one off.

    I've also noticed that now companies want to talk to references--any excuse, eh? I've always thought references were stupid; of COURSE one is going to give the names of people who will sing his/her praises, and it's also rather unfair that a bad reference (and I have one) can continue to haunt one. Recently had a company ask for references: "I look forward to your response." I said that I would supply references, but only after receiving assurance that they would not be consulted until the job was all but in the bag. I explained that I feared the people in question had a finite number of times that they'd be willing to be bothered. Never heard another word from the company.

    And how does Net-Temps respond to these and other obvious attempts by companies to find any excuse not to consider people? "Add a quote to your resume!" Yeah, sure! Some nifty little bon mot from Epictetus should do nicely.

    •  Sadly, that's where this thread started (0+ / 0-)

      even if you "I'll mop floors for food" they won't take you because they assume there's something wrong with anyone that desperate -

      such is my life.

      George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

      by snafubar on Mon Feb 08, 2010 at 07:56:03 PM PST

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    •  You weren't asking for advice (1+ / 0-)
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      but I'd like to offer you some, because it took me many, many years to figure this out: The language of job hunting is not the language we use in our daily lives. You have to be careful about what you say, and how you say it, because if there's a negative connotation to be found, it will be found -- even if you'd meant something completely different.

      Don't push back on any reasonable request that a company makes of you, unless you'd rather not get the job than comply with the request. Don't make any unusual request of the company unless a "no" would mean that you wouldn't want the job. Until you have the job totally in the bag, limit negotiations to what you need, not what you want.

      Unfortunately, when you pushed back on references, you probably put a lot of other thoughts into the recruiter's mind. The recruiter may wonder why your references have been called so often -- that raises a yellow flag. The recruiter may also get the sense that you're not being cooperative, especially if you stated your position as a demand ("only after receiving assurance") rather than as a request.

      I'm not saying that you should negotiate for your minimum living wage; companies will expect you to ask for what you think you deserve. But if (for example) you'd like to have something different from a 9-to-5 workweek, save that for after you've accepted the offer.

      Best of luck in your job search. The software job market is starting to look better. I know a few people, myself included, who've recently landed jobs after being out of work for ten months or more.

      Even though our dream is not yet completed... we are not quitters... and we are not through. Ty'Sheoma Bethea

      by Nowhere Man on Mon Feb 08, 2010 at 08:00:34 PM PST

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      •  Thankz for the tipz. (0+ / 0-)

        Perhaps I shouldn't say anything about recruiters...but what the hey. They are, by and large, scum. Absolute slime-sucking pond scum who make lampreys seem cuddly by comparison. They come in different varieties, of course:

        --The woman whose voice goes up at the end? Even when she's not asking a question? And who unerringly zeroes in on the skills (e.g. COBOL) you know the least?

        --The strapping guy with the bone-crushing handshake who looks you straight in the eye (his are bright blue and ooze sincerity) as he promises to move heaven and earth to "find a solution"....and then you never hear another word. He does not return calls (even to his cell) or e-mails. You have ceased to exist.

        --The arrogant twerp young enough to be your son, a year or so out of college, who obviously feels you're just a commodity, and a cheap, undesirable one at that. This variety loves to badger me about the rate I'm requesting, wasting large amounts of airtime while having no intention whatever of submitting me for the position.

        --Etc. etc. They aren't all like that, of course, but a distressing majority are. 99.9923% of them don't know technology from a hole in the ground, but they're fully buzzword-compliant and that's their sole qualification for the job.

        I well remember getting guff from some surly guard while on a tour of the US Capitol years ago; I backed off because I knew this woman with a high school diploma, doubtless hating her awful, dead-end job, could make miserable the life of me, a college-educated, highly-paid professional. Thus no matter how arrogant the recruiter is, I have to choke down my anger and be sweetness and light themselves. As you say, the recruiters' tiny little minds will find some reason to throw my resume in the recycle bin no matter what, which is why I scoff at the idea that things are getting better (despite more than one perky online article stressing that IT jobs are the place to be.)

        /rant. Man, that felt good.

    •  Hey (0+ / 0-)

      I was out of work for the first part of this century. Finally found stable employment in the nonprofit world. Still not making what I made as a tech writer in the 90s.  But I've gotten over that. Based on what I know about the pain of what you are going through...you must find something steady no matter what it is so that you can tell a future employer that you are actually "employed." This is very important. You said you have been out of work for 10 months. It probably seems like forever. It did for me. So, find something to do. I think you are in denial that this has happened to you. But it won't get any better until you get out of the house and work at something. That's the key.

      "I have very strong feelings about how you lead your life. You always look ahead, you never look back." ~ Ann Richards (Governor of Texas, 1990-94)

      by suswa on Mon Feb 08, 2010 at 08:29:27 PM PST

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