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  •  Great...now the media will spin this as a (4+ / 0-)
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    Democratic proposal, and the Republicans will call it political grandstanding, and it will have zero positive effect.

    Far better just to censure the fucker for proposing such idiocy and make him shut the hell up.

    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

    by darthstar on Mon Feb 08, 2010 at 01:17:34 PM PST

    •  If Republicans are smart, they won't call it (3+ / 0-)
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      grandstanding. They will very publicly scratch their heads and wonder why the Democratic leadership would even consider scrapping Social Security.

      Free speech? Yeah, I've heard of that. Have you?

      by dinotrac on Mon Feb 08, 2010 at 01:26:30 PM PST

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      •  Yep. And again, it's a waste of time to even (4+ / 0-)
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        consider this proposal or bring it to a vote.  Voters don't give a crap about fake legislation meant to fail. They want real legislation.

        Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

        by darthstar on Mon Feb 08, 2010 at 01:28:22 PM PST

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        •  Not to mention, yet again taking attention away (3+ / 0-)
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          from jobs.

          How can Democratic leadership expect to be taken seriously on jobs if they waste time on crap like this?  Credibility is already getting thin.

          Free speech? Yeah, I've heard of that. Have you?

          by dinotrac on Mon Feb 08, 2010 at 01:32:47 PM PST

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        •  Let them go on record one way or the other.... (0+ / 0-)

          So far republicans have been able to play it both ways. They get to scare the elderly by saying the Dems want to cut medicare yet they tell their base they want to end the socialist medicare system. Voting for/against this bill is bound to upset one group or the others.

    •  The mistake was making a proposal (0+ / 0-)

      instead of just shutting up and making it happen. Bringing it to a vote under GOP sponsorship would be game-changing. Maybe even bringing it to a vote in the name of "bipartisanship" would be game-changing. It's all in the details.

      Why you'd prefer another sternly worded letter to some psycho wingnut is beyond me.

      Everybody talkin' 'bout Heaven ain't goin' there -- Mahalia Jackson

      by DaveW on Mon Feb 08, 2010 at 01:35:56 PM PST

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    •  EXACTLY - the GOP will bounce it back at Dems (0+ / 0-)

      There's absolutely no reason that Dems need to be "considering options for turning the Ryan plan into a bill."

      Put Ryan's plan, authored by him, up for a res of support or denial at most but if DEMS turn it into a bill the GOP will turn right around, put up a link to the bill sponsored by some Dem or another, and then voila ... it's the "Dems' evil plan to eliminate Social Security and Medicare."

      All the GOP has to do is muddy the waters and confuse voters just enough to dilute the Dems "winning" message.

      ...My take - Leave the Ryan plan speak as it is. It stands well enough on its own as an example of what the GOP wants to do.

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