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  •  Unfortunately, Ferris (0+ / 0-)

    none of that space development stuff is in the budget yet. You are merely hoping that it shall be, in the future.

    Governing well shall be the best revenge

    by Bill White on Sat Feb 13, 2010 at 03:09:47 PM PST

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    •  Some of it is (0+ / 0-)

      continued COTS funding, extending ISS, CCDev money, and the beginnings of Commercial crew - those are part of it

      •  Those things are valuable steps but are far (0+ / 0-)

        from sufficient to achieve the objectives aimed at.

        And if NewSpace embraces the February 1st budget without reservation, how and when will the other necessary stuff get added?

        Governing well shall be the best revenge

        by Bill White on Sat Feb 13, 2010 at 03:38:37 PM PST

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        •  You have to take (0+ / 0-)

          the first step, before you take the next step.  

          •  Don't sign on the dotted line until (0+ / 0-)

            you read the fine print.

            A much reduced NASA human spaceflight budget (just enough to fly crew to ISS with NOTHING for depots or landers or exotic propulsion) very easily could be what comes out of this.

            Also, a crew taxi loaded with NASA required bells and whistles making it too expensive for Bigelow customers.

            Together with lots of angry Congress-critters and laid off NASA workers furious with NewSpace.

            Governing well shall be the best revenge

            by Bill White on Sat Feb 13, 2010 at 03:50:02 PM PST

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            •  Re (0+ / 0-)

              A much reduced NASA human spaceflight budget (just enough to fly crew to ISS with NOTHING for depots or landers or exotic propulsion) very easily could be what comes out of this.

              Thats all we were getting, regardless whether we stuck with Constellation, tried to reformulate it using something like DIRECT, or go fully commercial.  

              Also, a crew taxi loaded with NASA required bells and whistles making it too expensive for Bigelow customers.

              Bill, you are gonna half to proof that this is what we are gonna get.  I know you are convinced that OldSpace will rig the contracts, so that no one else can get it.  I think that there will be enough stuff put in play that ensures we don't end up with the situation you describe.  

          •  Step #2 that could be taken TODAY (0+ / 0-)

            Issue a challenge for a spaceship race from LEO to EML-2 and return to LEO.

            http://www.lpi.usra.edu/...

            Maybe ask Buzz Aldrin to donate a perpetual trophy to the winner of the first L2 Cup.

            Have Charlie Bolden announce that

            (a) The "new" NASA welcomes human spaceflight to places other than ISS

            (b) The "new" NASA encourages LEO hotels ASAP

            (c) The "new" NASA believes that it is 100% appropriate for private companies to sell tourist rides and corporate sponsorships and it shall facilitate such efforts in non-financial ways.

            These items would make it far easier for me to support the new direction.

            Governing well shall be the best revenge

            by Bill White on Sat Feb 13, 2010 at 04:00:40 PM PST

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            •  Suppose he announces that (0+ / 0-)

              and then doesn't support it.  Would it have really been step #2?  

              I am not interested in grand pronouncement - I want to see action.  Merely making speeches isn't enough.  And if we get the action, and no speech - I have no problem.  

              Look at the VSE speech, and how great that turned out

              •  As Charlie Bolden said, it MUST be international (0+ / 0-)

                to be sustainable. And there also needs to be profit.

                In the short term, corporate sponsorships and tourism is the fastest road to profit.

                But to minimize political risk, ask Buzz Aldrin to issue the L2 Cup challenge rather than NASA or anyone in the White House. Shenzou versus Soyuz versus Dragon.

                Winner of the first L2 Cup wins the media and marketing rights to the second L2 Cup and so forth. That creates a recursive economic bootstrap effect not dependent on tax dollars.

                Larry Ellison of Oracle is spending $200 million right now trying to win the America's Cup. He spent $200 million a few years ago failing to win the America's Cup.

                A capsule to EML-2 would cost less than $500 million if done privately and would take the crew further into space than any human has gone, ever.

                Governing well shall be the best revenge

                by Bill White on Sat Feb 13, 2010 at 04:17:47 PM PST

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