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  •  My father worked to help end the draft (16+ / 0-)

    ...and I have lived to see how ending the draft was a nice idea that went very, very, very wrong.  The same guys in power then kept resurfacing in power positions and knew how to create the backdoor draft.

    As evil as war may be (and I certainly believe it is), making sure we all have a stake in whether or not our country goes to war is a check and balance against wars for monetary or other unnecessary reasons.

    "Trust me, after taxes, a million dollars is not a lot of money." --Michael Steele

    by MsGrin on Tue Feb 23, 2010 at 09:10:16 AM PST

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    •  And you can't run to Canada any longer. I don't (7+ / 0-)

      think this would stop unjust wars, but any war that wasn't over in 6 months would face tremendous public scrutiny.

    •  Problem with the draft was the rich could (6+ / 0-)

      thier children into positions in the National Guard where they were safe playing at soldiers. See all the Chicken hawks playing at warmongering today... It cost those jerks nothing back then and costs them nothing today..In fact, they are making money hand over fist as defense contractors and now as mercenary force providers who can avoid pesky things like agreements about behavior.

      Draft absolutely, BUT NO EXEMPTIONs or BOLT HOLES for the children of the rich.

      Yep, you gotta have some skin in the game to see the real value of that game. Actually maybe these AH who attack Kerry and McCain would have learned something about the real costs of war.

      The ending of the Draft was another example of unintended consequences. Without a draft the rich and powerful don't have to lift a finger to protect thier Bush babies and Cheneys and...

      Fear is the Mind Killer

      by boophus on Tue Feb 23, 2010 at 11:16:10 AM PST

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      •  That's not a problem with the draft (0+ / 0-)

        that's a feature of war.

        "Competent statisticians will be the front line troops in our war for survival..." George Box, 1976

        by aztecraingod on Tue Feb 23, 2010 at 11:20:49 AM PST

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      •  Heh. (0+ / 0-)

        And anyone who thinks that IF the draft were reinstated that the children of the very people who would be writing the exact wording of the law would be subject to such a draft... well, I have some oceanside property in New Mexico to show you...

        :: Not so hopeful now ::

        by Rick Aucoin on Tue Feb 23, 2010 at 11:31:55 AM PST

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        •  I'll take you up on that... (1+ / 0-)
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          ... in the year 2246 or whenever global warming really gets going, whichever comes first.  I want a prime lot with a view of both the mountains and the sea.

          Of course, I'm not naive enough to think that the children of the elite uberclass would ever be subject to a draft, just betting that the beaches of New Mexico will be really nice.

        •  Well, if even MORE of the middle class (1+ / 0-)
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          were subject to a draft, it would make a HUGE difference in public perception of the worthiness of war.

          Right now, many people buh-lieve that people who join the military have CHOSEN to fight.  The choice, however, was TO NOT STARVE or to get an education or whatever their motive is, and this is the most feasible way to do it for them.  They do what they have to do.  Those who have the means to do those other things without providing service to the country can live in a bubble about who risks their lives to get what many consider to be the basics ones needs in life.

          There are very few of the uber rich, but right now, the uber rich have the middle class snowed.  NOT having a front door draft drives a wedge between working a middle classes - our founding fathers and mothers wanted a MORE PERFECT union.  Let's start with that.  We can improve it from there.

          "Trust me, after taxes, a million dollars is not a lot of money." --Michael Steele

          by MsGrin on Tue Feb 23, 2010 at 02:45:47 PM PST

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    •  or some kind of service... (6+ / 0-)

      there are still us pacifist types out here...
      my dad was a conscientious objector in WWII and did alternative service that was set up between the army and the church of the brethren.  
      some worked on forest fires, some in army mental hospitals, etc.  they were spit on and hounded, but they stuck to their beliefs.  this is a photo of him playing the cello in a barrack waiting his orders:
      http://www.pbs.org/...

      I died for Joe Lieberman's sins.

      by stagemom on Tue Feb 23, 2010 at 11:28:14 AM PST

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    •  Switzerland, a Neutral Country, Has a Draft (2+ / 0-)
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      All males are required to get training with the Swiss Army (although they do make some exceptions for those mentally or physicially unfit).  They all sleep with a Swiss Army-issue rifle in the house.

      And they remain neutral, but able to defend their borders in the event of attack.

      "None are more enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." - Goethe

      by Sarea on Tue Feb 23, 2010 at 12:53:52 PM PST

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