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  •  What do you mean by "some consideration"? (1+ / 0-)
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    lighttheway

    How much space does the person next to you have to give up so that you can avoid the cost of a second seat?  

    The airlines have taken the position -- none at all.  That if a large person spills over into the adjacent seat, he/she has to buy that second seat.  

    •  And that's just wrong. (3+ / 0-)

      That position, that the airlines take, is absolutely uncivil.

      Like the line of conversation below is taking:

      If that's the case, then I want every person on a place who's ever inconvenienced me, even the slightest bit, to pay double as well. Everyone from the annoying child kicking my chair to the row-mate who has to pee every 15 minutes. They all need to pay double, if they aren't willing to put up with the minor inconvenience of feeling a little cramped.

      Major cramping and overflow are a different story, but this black and white, all or nothing approach is incredibly uncivil.

      •  what is civil then? (1+ / 0-)
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        Put yourself in the shoes of the person who has a terrible, uncomfortable flight because the big guy next to you took up half your seat. You paid full price and had to squirm and shift and half your ass is numb while the guy spent half the flight asleep in "comfortable" (in quotes because it's still a plane) bliss.

        Is that just the cost of, I don't know, living in society? Because I don't agree.

        Look, I realize overweight people have a tough road, and it really is true that overweight people are among the few where its still considered okay to publically mock and shame. I don't think that's right. But I do think people should have access to the seat they paid for.

        •  It's called compromise. (1+ / 0-)
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          Give and take, that sort of thing. If something is unbearable, like what you described in your comment, by all means, get the problem fixed. However, if it's just a minor inconvenience, why worry about it? All I'm saying is that there are more civil ways to handle someone who's large, but not causing any issues.

          •  if I can't sit in my seat (0+ / 0-)

            That is an issue.

            There are really two solutions to the problem:

            1. Have the guy sit in a different seat, preferably one where there are two empty seats. Of course, this is not practical on many flights nowadays.
            1. Have the person pay for two seats.

            Granted SWA probably handles this situation poorly, by just calling out people, but I don't think many people are going to buy 2 seats voluntarily. I also don't think they are going to have people step on a scale or enter their BMI before they buy a ticket on the website.  

            BTW the situation I described was pretty much my last flying experience. So it's not theoretical.

          •  So, it is ok for person 1 (1+ / 0-)
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            to be inconvenienced (i.e., give up a portion of his seat) so that person 2 doesn't have to buy an extra seat.  

            Doesn't that mean that person 1 is subsidizing person 2?  

            What if person 1 wants what he paid for -- a full 18 in seat?  Can the airlines FORCE him to subsidize person 2?  Do the airlines have to refund person 1 a portion of his airfare to compensate him for not getting what he paid for?  Does person 2 have to pay that compensation?  

      •  It's not uncivil (2+ / 0-)
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        And it's not really a civil matter.

        I buy 1 seat. I have the right to that entire seat. If you need more space than 1 seat, you buy more space.

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        by DonkSlayer on Wed Feb 17, 2010 at 01:01:34 PM PST

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    •  As a large person (3+ / 0-)
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      I fully agree.

      But I think, to be fair, anyone traveling with a child under the age of 7 should have to take a family flight with all the other potentially shrieking and annoying children. There ought to be baby flights just for people traveling with infants too.

      I can get kicked off a flight for being overweight (although I don't spill over into the next seat, never have), but I have to deal with 15 screaming Chinese babies on the red eye from LA to Orlando and I still had to pay full price for my seat (or buy two seats if the airline deems me too large)?

      Eff that noise.

      •  So if an airline said "no passengers under 7" (0+ / 0-)

        Are they being "uncivil" and "bigoted" or are they catering to a particular clientele?

        And you're not paying for a "noise-free" environment, you're paying for an airline seat.  

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        by DonkSlayer on Wed Feb 17, 2010 at 01:00:37 PM PST

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      •  Ridiculous comment. We are talking about (0+ / 0-)

        having the space in ones seat that one paid for.  I am single and have no children.  I don't like hearing kids cry either, but tough.  Its a completely different issue.  I'll take the crying kid, who is just being a kid, to an over weight passenger that extends 3 inches into my seat.

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        by lighttheway on Wed Feb 17, 2010 at 03:29:30 PM PST

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        •  I'll take the fat passenger (0+ / 0-)

          I despise bratty children and parents who don't discipline.

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          by terrypinder on Thu Feb 18, 2010 at 05:09:46 AM PST

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        •  Funny, I actually had to make that choice. (0+ / 0-)

          After being in a plane for 90 minutes waiting for take off because Boston was having problems, with a kid who screamed non-stop the whole time (no, he didn't have an earache because we hadn't taken off; he was just bored and p--if that's the case, I;'d have been sympathetic--pissy and Mom apparently hadn't had the brains to bring things to keep him occupied on the flight), I finally made my flight to Orlando.  And as I placed my luggage in the overhead, I noticed that there was a very young infant--no more than 3 months old--behind me.  My face fell.  

          I grabbed the stewardess and asked to be seated elsewhere because a screaming child had already given me a cluster headache.  She was Not Amused.  She made it plain that I was being unreasonable. This was a flight to Disneyworld.Of course there'd be kids. I told her I didn't hate kids, but there's a 98% chance that a baby will cry loudly and often because of the pressure changes.  And I really, really had a sick headache.

          There were empty seats everywhere, but she placed me, deliberately, with a 350 pound man.   And you know what? I was relieved.  He read his book and I read mine, and there was no one screaming behind me.

          Given a choice between someone overweight and a non-stop crying small infant, I'll take  Mr. Overweight any day.  If it had been Kevin SMith, I'd have told him how much I enjoyed Dogma, then gone back to my book.

          The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

          by irishwitch on Fri Feb 19, 2010 at 03:16:52 PM PST

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