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  •  I have no idea how you think (8+ / 0-)

    this is a rebuttal to my argument. You sound like the Church of the Savvy. You assume here that I did not already have some understanding of bizare way in which we allow the Democratic Party to manipulate us (the true debate) by pretending that they are tied down by rules that they, themselves, make up. If they are tied down it is because they choose to be tied down as an excuse, since again they have control over the rules.

    You only serve to reinforce my point. Is that your point?  And your last comment is absurd. They see perfectly well what the GOP is doing. But the GOP serves the Democratic lack of accountability purpose to keep unworkable rules in place to prevent us from holding Democrats accountable. This way you get to post statements about how "oh well, but-for the rules that we made up to prevent us from acting, we would have acted."

    What I am saying is that I am not fooled by the smoke screen. I know they are making up the rules. Thus, all else is excuses that derive from that choice on their part.

    •  I have no idea how you think (3+ / 0-)
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      Gorette, fou, alliedoc

      I was 'rebutting' your comment, as opposed to merely commenting upon it myself.

      My 'absurd' last comment is about what Dems didn't see before this session.  Certainly they're seeing it now, as you say, but then that's not what I wrote.  Didn't is past tense in English.

      I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible you may be mistaken. - Oliver Cromwell

      by Ezekial 23 20 on Sun Feb 21, 2010 at 06:40:36 AM PST

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      •  There's a really big difference between (0+ / 0-)

        "what we think should happen" and "what actually will happen".

        And, it all ends with "the mainstream media gets ahold of it".

        "I want my America back!" -- But, which America is that?

        by alliedoc on Sun Feb 21, 2010 at 06:48:57 AM PST

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      •  Since I said I was not sure (3+ / 0-)

        whether you were trying to rebut my statement, I am not sure where your annoyance at the fact I wasn't sure is coming from.

        Now, as to the absurdity, how many times does the GOP have to shot us in the head before we realize this video game will play by the same rules  it has been playing by for almost 2 decades? That's the absurdity.

        Ia m not convinced they see anything now. I expect more excuses because the excuses serve their purpose of being unaccountable. Many of these people are the same people who voted for Iraq while pretending that they are against the GOP neocon agenda, etc.

        My point is that I don't buy it given the last few decades. No one reasonable would have concluded they could work with the GOP. that's like saying we could work with a sociapath.

        •  Ok then. (3+ / 0-)
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          ferg, bruh1, Gorette

          I took the absurd perhaps a bit more personally than intended.

          Personally, I agree that the façade of politically naiveté our Congresscritters keep pushing is hard to look at with anything other than a sneer.  The genteel response of the Senate Dems is not worth maintaing, decorum of the body or no.  

          I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible you may be mistaken. - Oliver Cromwell

          by Ezekial 23 20 on Sun Feb 21, 2010 at 07:27:52 AM PST

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        •  I like your clear thinking bruh1. (0+ / 0-)

          I keep wondering: "What's stopping the Dems from some kind of effective action?  Is it that Harry Reid is a terrible leader? or that the conservadems keep standing in the way?"

          No, I think you're right, the DON'T WANT to take any action.  These things are just an excuse.  That also explains why reconciliation was off the table from the beginning, and why the Dems let the Rethugs control HCR all last summer.

          It also explains why the Bush/Cheney cabal is still free, instead of rotting in jail somewhere.

          The only way out I see is to take back our party from the corporate interests who now control it.  

          I'm for the death penalty. If corporations are "persons", and they kill they should be subject to a corporate death penalty.

          by Bob Friend on Sun Feb 21, 2010 at 01:29:01 PM PST

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