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  •  It actually is wrong (2+ / 0-)
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    shaharazade, Sun dog

    By allowing the public to see the obstructionists over things they want, they can then vote accordingly. BY hiding them, we get what we are seeing. Remember, this happened with Clinton where the GOP shut down the government, or tried, and it was the GOP that paid the price. It was one of the few times that clinton used the power of brinkmanship well to illustrate the true problem. Instead, apparently some here believe if we do the same thing over and over again we will end up with something other than insanity.

    •  That's one of the instances (3+ / 0-)
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      Jackson L Haveck, bruh1, shaharazade

      that has shaped my thinking on this.  I've been asking why not force the filibuster for many months now and have never been satisfied with the explanations why it can't be done.  I appreciate this attempt to explain it but I'm more persuaded than ever that it has been a mistake for a long time not to maneuver the gopers into a straight standoff on this.  As usual, Democrats are overestimating the intelligence of the national dialogue; expecting people to just understand that it's gopers who are destroying chances at positive reform.  As though there is a press corps that would break through the Fair and Balanced bullshit and report the reality.  I knew last year that it wasn't going to happen that way.  

      I only go to Huffpo for the uh, er, articles.

      by Sun dog on Sun Feb 21, 2010 at 07:21:13 AM PST

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      •  Sadly, I agree (2+ / 0-)
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        shaharazade, Sun dog

        Once you figure out the logic of the players, all the moves become extremely predictable.

        And yes, the best thing that could happen to the Democratic prospects even now going into the fall is a series of direct confrontations with the GOP's obstructionism put on display in a way that the public can easily digest.

        Right now, that is too abstract even if one were inclined to be into politics. I read these sorts of diaries, and even my eyes glaze over. partially due to the fact i know that it is just an excuse, but also because it is just procedure. I am not interested in prodecure, and I can not imagine most Americans are.

        Confrontation however that they understand.

        •  I agree (0+ / 0-)

          I've read this entire string, and you have proved your points.

          I'm really glad you posted these comments.

          Now, how to get them to do it?  What groups have the mojo to apply this pressure?

          •  It is difficult to impossible to achieve (0+ / 0-)

            the reforms and making them do it because so many in the base as you can see here are apologists or shills for what we see. They make excuses- "they are on our sides" although commons sense says other wise.

    •  Did you miss the part where all the minority (1+ / 0-)
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      has to do is suggest the absence of a quorum every couple of hours, and it only has to be done by one person?  Then, while 40 Republicans can go home, 50 Democrats have to stand around, looking useless.  

      There's a difference between what Newt was trying to do and what the Republicans today are doing.  Newt wanted to run the government himself.  The Republicans today want to keep government from functioning while they are not in charge.

      Don't make God into an idiot just because you want to ignore evolution.

      by anonevent on Sun Feb 21, 2010 at 07:33:20 AM PST

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      •  Lord, I can't talk to people like you (1+ / 0-)
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        shaharazade

        These are made up rules. The people in charge make them up.And your repsonse- to spout me more of the made up rules. The only difference between now and then is that there was at least one person in charge who got that the rules are whaty ou make of them.

        •  The rules of the Senate (0+ / 0-)

          are made and changed according to a process, just like laws. Democrats cannot just decide to change the process for changing rules any more than the President can decide to change the process for changing laws.

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