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  •  When I was a kid in the fifties and sixties, in a (3+ / 0-)

    sort of pressure cooker academic type of school system, I never heard of any student committing suicide.  Why has that become an attractive option to children now?  Perhaps the bullying was not as virulent as people are describing it today, but there was an in crowd, and an out crowd and friction did exist between them and true enough, some kids were bullied, but they learned to adapt and stay out of the way of kids who taunted them.  I know because I had to adapt.  What has changed in our society today, that to some kids, being picked on represents literally the end of the world and they choose to kill themselves?  Was it covered up back then, or has there been a change in our media obsessed, celebrity obsessed, culture that encourages kids to off themselves?

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    by MrJersey on Fri Feb 19, 2010 at 08:54:23 PM PST

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      The Addington perpwalk is the trailhead for accountability in this wound on our national psyche.--Sachem

      by greenbird on Fri Feb 19, 2010 at 08:58:20 PM PST

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    •  I think the distinctions and (3+ / 0-)
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      bullying is worse because of all the silly cliches and stereotypes lazy entertainment writers have been writing about in television and movies the last thirty years. It's worse today because they make it worse with these exaggerated tales of jocks bullying nerds, of people who choose to study books and be smart being immasculated, (guyswho do so at least), I mean all around they've created this atmosphere that kids think is sort of the normal way things work when it's not. They've created an expectation in how to act. What's more is they actually actively discourage young boys from being smart, or being seen reading lots of books and participating in class. They've turned intelligence into something "not cool". They really should be ashamed of themselves.

      My 12th Grade English teacher last year did an eye-opening chart of all the intelligent guys in childen's programs and connected their characteristics, (he has three young daughters so watches a lot of these), and found that almost all of them active emmasculated the intelligent guys and none of them included intelligent, cool guys who weren't physically challenged. The effect is it is making young boys fall further and further behind girls in reading and learning. And the few who do are picked on by other kids who have been subrmersed to think in these terms and to think of them as wimps, uncool, etc.

      It's a huge problem now adays and the heart of it goes back to lazy screenwriters reusing these inaccurate and offensive formulas that turned the situations of the worst schools and worst situations into cultural norms.

      "For fools rush in where angels fear to tread". -Alexnader Pope

      by ArkDem14 on Fri Feb 19, 2010 at 09:08:01 PM PST

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    •  Were you bullied? (1+ / 0-)
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      Not quite clear from what you say here:

      some kids were bullied, but they learned to adapt and stay out of the way of kids who taunted them.  I know because I had to adapt.

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      by AllisonInSeattle on Sat Feb 20, 2010 at 01:23:26 AM PST

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    •  Kids committed suicide (2+ / 0-)
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      in the 50s and 60s. Perhaps, like teen pregnancy, parents and society were just better about hiding it.

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      by CatM on Sat Feb 20, 2010 at 06:09:36 AM PST

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    •  Lots more use of psychotropic drugs these days (0+ / 0-)

      that predispose kids to committing suicide, too.

      Quick to give drugs, slow to give therapy to help kids learn to deal.

      this is just an hypothesis.

      there are also suicide clusters that may play a role...

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