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  •  I think you're confused about the issue (3+ / 0-)
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    Sales managers who are rude to employees and people who dispute you online are not bullies that public policy need address. We need to understand what motivates bullies in public school to address helping kids. Very, very often they target gays and gender-non-conformists.  

    Everyone agrees: DADT sucks. So when do we vote?!??!

    by Scott Wooledge on Sat Feb 20, 2010 at 02:51:27 AM PST

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    •  I agree public policy (3+ / 0-)
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      need not address "homogenius" bullying behavior, but he is definitely taking a bullying approach, trying to intimidate the poster who said absolutely nothing offensive except to offer the justifiable perspective that bullying is horrible for people who are victims and that there are other targets of pretty brutal bullying besides gay people.

      Yes, bullies often target gays and transgendered people. They also very often target people with Asperger's. They also very often target fat kids.

      "In some areas, there have been reports of 90 percent of kids with Asperger's are getting bullied on a daily basis," he said.

      A 2002 study from Comprehensive Issues in Pediatric Nursing found that 94 percent of students with Asperger Syndrome face torment from their peers. Indeed, some of their behaviors and characteristics that others see as different make many of these children easy targets for frequent and severe bullying.

      We make easy targets because we are inadvertently noncomformist, we lack social networks that offer protection (eg, we spend a lot of time alone), we are unlikely to report the bullying because we rarely reach out to people, we are "naive" and "gullible" as children, and we often fit the "geek" profile. In addition, people with Asperger's often have poor muscle tone, particularly of the upper body.

      Many people with Asperger's run or walk awkwardly, speak awkwardly, and can be clumsy.

      Nobody should belittle the experiences of anyone who is bullied by playing the "I'm bullied more than you" card.

      Supporting a Pragmatic Approach to Progressive Policies

      by CatM on Sat Feb 20, 2010 at 05:56:53 AM PST

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      •  Excuse me. Did you not read the poster's comment (0+ / 0-)

        How can you excuse a comment that the worst bullying is between gays not offensive?  And then had two weenie examples to back up such an outrageous statement It wasn't that gays can be just as bullying.  It was that they're the MOST bullying.

        The response was appropriately resistant to that outrageous statement and much more restrained than I'd likely have been.  And I'm not gay, so it wasn't personal to me.  The poster could quite easily have said - whoops, I didn't mean that the way it came out.  But no, he had to go on and on with his weeny examples and justifications and give one of the those "I'm sorry you were offended" facetious apologies.

        No one was trying to play the I was bullied more card.  Rather,homogeneous was offering his opinion based upon his experience.  And then got upset for the reaction.  Appropriately.

        "If you trust you are not critical; if you are critical you do not trust" by our own Dauphin

        by gustynpip on Sat Feb 20, 2010 at 12:47:10 PM PST

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        •  That is not how I read the comment (1+ / 0-)
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          The comment said the worst bullying the poster had witnessed was in the gay community. I assume the poster has not witnessed a lot of bullying. And based on the descriptions of the "vicious" bullying which I did not find particularly vicious, I think that--regardless of what the poster said--he/she does not have a lot of experience bullying.

          I did not at all get the sense that the poster was saying ANYTHING about gays not getting bullied or other people getting it worse.

          I did see homogenious flat out say that bullying of gay people was the worst--as though other peoples' experiences with bullying were less relevant or less credible or something of which to be dismissive.

          I also think that homogenous initial response to the poster was unduly harsh, assuming the worst and reading things into what the poster was saying that--to me--do not seem to be there.

          Supporting a Pragmatic Approach to Progressive Policies

          by CatM on Sat Feb 20, 2010 at 01:27:48 PM PST

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