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  •  No, there's a difference (2+ / 0-)
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    Uberbah, blueocean

    To me, there is a difference between someone saying something less than perfectly and misquoting someone. Maybe that is because it is my job to quote people accurately.

    Maybe it is because I take things very literally.

    If the poster had said, as you misquoted, that "the worst bullying takes place in the gay community," I would completely share your outrage over such a stupid, unsubstantiated, untrue statement.

    But because what he really said is that "some of the most vicious bullying he has seen" is in the gay community, and also subsequently clarified that he did not mean it the way your quote would suggest he means it, I think accuracy is required.

    Also, I think breeder would stick out more strangely to someone than "baby factory." I personally don't see why one would assume that this had anything to do with the person saying it being gay--as opposed to perhaps someone opposed to overpopulation (I've had friends against reproduction). But I just think when quoting people or even pharaphrasing them, we have an obligation to get quotes right, especially when the misrepresentation gives a different meaning to what is being said.

    When we're speaking ourselves, we should certainly make an effort to say exactly what we mean, but I think a lot of us don't always speak as carefully as we should.

    I think a thoughtless and heartless person would not have tried to apologize to homogenous. I think they would have just come out the door swinging and even gone further, saying "Of course gays are the most vicious bullies!" if that is what they really meant.

    He did not do that, I think because that is not what he meant.

    I know that if I said, "Some of the republicans I know are the biggest a-holes" and someone said, "You are a bigot! How can you say that!" and I really meant it, then I would say, "Republicans ARE the biggest a-holes. How can you say they aren't? And I guess you're one, too." or something ilke that.

    I wouldn't say, "I'm sorry I offended you. I don't think all republicans are a-holes or that republicans are more likely to be a-holes than other people."

    I would only say that if I felt bad that what I meant to say was not coming across properly.

    Supporting a Pragmatic Approach to Progressive Policies

    by CatM on Sat Feb 20, 2010 at 02:53:22 PM PST

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    •  Sorry, Cat (0+ / 0-)

      But you're wrong on this. Let's try a little thought experiment, shall we?  Let us assume that the poster of the comment we are discussing had said:

      "Some of the biggest skinflints I've ever seen have been in the Jewish community."

      Or:

      "Some of the most violent criminals I've ever seen have been in the African-American community."  

      Would you be standing up for what the poster had said?  Would you be arguing that s/he was simply discussing his/her own personal experience?  I doubt it.  The difference here is the group to which the stereotyping or offensive comment is directed.  People on this site feel far too free to make comments that are very casually homophobic, and then they try to pretend that the comments are something else.  

      In a similar vein, only yesterday rserven had a rec list diary about just such an issue.  I recommend that you read it.

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