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  •  thank you for this diary! (4+ / 0-)

    RFK - I kind of wish you'd have mentioned that we are still forcing people who have never been tried with any crime to hold stress positions throughout their waking hours, and restricting them to four hours of sleep per night.

    If one considers that torture (as I do), then Bush isn't the most recent president to permit torture.

    "Any plan I sign must include an insurance exchange ... including a public option" President Obama, 7.18.09

    by efraker on Fri Feb 19, 2010 at 08:03:56 PM PST

    •  Can you provide a link to (0+ / 0-)

      substantiate that claim?  I know it's probably true that it's still happening somewhere but I'd like some proof.    

      "Not the truth in whose possession any man is, or thinks he is, but the honest effort he has made to find out the truth, is what consitutes the worth of man."

      by Lying eyes on Fri Feb 19, 2010 at 08:26:32 PM PST

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      •  Valtin has writen extensively on the torture (3+ / 0-)

        allowed under the army field manual, and there have been recent reports of torture at a black site at Baghram air base.

      •  absolutely! (3+ / 0-)
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        Here's the executive order:

        The relevant part:

        Effective immediately, an individual in the custody or under the effective control of an officer, employee, or other agent of the United States Government, or detained within a facility owned, operated, or controlled by a department or agency of the United States, in any armed conflict, shall not be subjected to any interrogation technique or approach, or any treatment related to interrogation, that is not authorized by and listed in Army Field Manual 2 22.3 (Manual).  Interrogation techniques, approaches, and treatments described in the Manual shall be implemented strictly in accord with the principles, processes, conditions, and limitations the Manual prescribes.

        The techniques authorized and listed in Army Field Manual 2 22.3 are:

        M-27. Physical separation is the best and preferred method of separation. As a last resort, when physical separation of detainees is not feasible, goggles or blindfolds and earmuffs may be utilized as a field expedient method to generate a perception of separation.

        Use of separation must not preclude the detainee getting four hours of continuous sleep every 24 hours.

        One of the recommended techniques is called 'fear up', wherein a detainee is intentionally terrified:

        In the fear-up approach, the HUMINT collector identifies a preexisting fear or creates a fear within the source. He then links the elimination or reduction of the fear to cooperation on the part of the source.

        The interrogator is cautioned to leave the terror ambiguous, so as not to do anything that could be used in a court:

        The HUMINT collector must be extremely careful that he does not threaten or coerce a source. Conveying a threat may be a violation of the UCMJ.

        The ACLU has FOIA documents which describe examples of the fear-up technique involving threatening to send soldiers to rape detainee's mothers and wives, and descriptions of mutilating the detainee's children.

        Stress positions are not banned, nor permitted. Anti-torture activist Jeffrey Kaye maintains a blog on the subject (along with his diaries here), and considers the fact that stress positions were 1.) known to be frequently used, and 2.) not mentioned, is the same as condoning them. It is unproven that our elected representatives are allowing stress positions, but if they aren't, then why didn't they ban it, or condemn it, especially considering the fact that it is well known and considered torture by most non-Americans? The idea that it was banned and they 'forgot' to ban it in the manual seems improbable.

        In part 3, it also defines 'unlawful enemy combatant'. Apparently this concept isn't going away.

        Unlawful enemy combatants arepersons not entitled to combatant immunity

        "Any plan I sign must include an insurance exchange ... including a public option" President Obama, 7.18.09

        by efraker on Fri Feb 19, 2010 at 09:27:39 PM PST

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