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View Diary: Reconciliation Rules: Facts, Myths, Sunsets and the Byrd rule. (69 comments)

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  •  They were created from scratch (8+ / 0-)

    as in they didn't exist before! I pointed this out in the diary. amending social security and other existing structures are just parliamentary maneuvers that Reid mentioned. For example for creating the PO where there was non before (ie a NEW policy) they can amend medicare.

    •  Would'nt a medicare buy-in be easier (1+ / 0-)
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      OuterLimits

      to pass via reconciliation?
      And wouldn't it be a better step towards single payer?

      •  Medicare buy in (5+ / 0-)

        I assume you mean the 55 age lowering.. sure it would work (not sure I would say it is easier, I haven't seen the CBO score for it and whether it increases deficits or not in 5 years or in out years) but what about people under 55? that's the whole point of the PO.

        Both can be done via reconciliation, considering medicare buying gets as favorable of a  CBO score as the public option.

        •  Yes, that was what I meant. (1+ / 0-)
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          I seem to remember that it was in the initial senate bill and was dropped because it was opposed by one or two senators so one may assume that it could easily get 50 votes - for the PO it's not so clear so far.

        •  I need Medicare Buy-in or something like it (1+ / 0-)
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          FistJab

          Our COBRA will end in a few months. I checked what would be available (before recent reported increases) and found worse insurance would cost nearly $1500 a month. Subsidized COBRA is about $300 which we can comfortably manage. Unsubsidized COBRA would be $800 which we probably could pay with IRA withdrawals. But at $1500 a month, we could end up emptying our IRAs before we reach 65.

      •  Both can be done, actually (2+ / 0-)
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        churchylafemme, Coastrange

        Both should be done, actually.

        Give us all a Public Option - let 55-65's buy into medicare.

        Here's why.

        Medicare will still be cheaper - and more people in Medicare means that Medicare does more to set price for service for everyone.

        Adding all those 55-65's paying their own cost will shore up medicare by diversifying their risk pool.

        Employers will be more interested in hiring older people if they have the option of kicking in for Medicare for them rather than including them in their Group Plan.

        On the other hand -

        We need a public option for under-55's to keep the insurers honest.  This is not really about premium prices.

        It's about preventing them from creatively fucking over customers, who will have the choice of bailing if mistreated and using the PO.

        Embracing The Wilsonian Conceit is not leadership.

        by JesseCW on Sat Feb 20, 2010 at 06:02:09 PM PST

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