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  •  but we can't get DiFi's rate controls (1+ / 0-)
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    out of reconciliation.

    i say we tell them to figure it the !@#$%& out and get it the !@#$%& done.  and senators get the added message of signing the bennet letter.

    People are upset Obama hasn't solved all the problems yet. C'mon, he's only been in office one year...the man went to Harvard, not Hogwarts. - Wanda Sykes

    by Cedwyn on Tue Feb 23, 2010 at 11:26:32 AM PST

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    •  It's why DiFI's rate controls has to (3+ / 0-)
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      pass as a standalone bill. It's clear the President put in DiFi's rate controls as a political challenge to Republicans even knowing it can't pass under reconciliation rules.

      It can't just be solely a PR issue that dies away in the Senate.

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      by slinkerwink on Tue Feb 23, 2010 at 11:29:53 AM PST

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      •  reconciliation is so next week (1+ / 0-)
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        obama's plan isn't intended for reconciliation.  he wants to do do this with 60 votes.  that's why he added DiFi's bill to the fixes.  with the headlines as they have been, it is political suicide to vote against that right now.  

        obama does not want to use reco if he doesn't have to.  neither does reid.  the plan obama is taking to the summit is the "conference" plan everyone can agree on while they fine tune the details.  

        right now, we should be supporting the passage of the senate bill + fixes and demanding senators sign the bennet letter.  it is not the time to be on about reconciliation bills and what to put in them just yet.  the goal and plan as we type is to get something passed with 60 votes.  obama and reid won't even seriously consider reconciliation until the GOP votes no on cloture on a "conference" bill.

        and why can't they just pass the bill + the fixes and pass the PO via reconciliation later?  if the support for it is there, the support for it is there and it shouldn't depend on what happens to the "conference" HCR bill.  didn't reid say that reconciliation would be Easterish?  that would give more time for senators to get on board, too.

        People are upset Obama hasn't solved all the problems yet. C'mon, he's only been in office one year...the man went to Harvard, not Hogwarts. - Wanda Sykes

        by Cedwyn on Tue Feb 23, 2010 at 01:31:45 PM PST

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        •  How does this mesh with WH comments (3+ / 0-)
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          that nearly all of the President's plan is intended for reconciliation?

          The fixes can only happen via sidecar reconciliation. It still will be used as a procedure in the Senate for health care reform.

          You can advocate for whatever you want, Cedwyn.

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          by slinkerwink on Tue Feb 23, 2010 at 01:38:17 PM PST

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          •  ya know (0+ / 0-)

            once Diane Feinstein came out for the public option - I knew the game was afoot.... she only gives lip service to progressive change when something doesn't have chance to pass.... Glen Greewald is late to the party to have figured out that Senate game...

            We should stand up and say let's work together until we finish defeating the left and then we won't have to work with them as much. - Newt Gingrich

            by anyname on Tue Feb 23, 2010 at 02:01:55 PM PST

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          •  got a link? (0+ / 0-)

            so i can see the statements in context?

            it is not true that the fixes can only happen via reconciliation.  that is your opinion because you don't think he can get 60 votes.  but we don't know that yet.

            People are upset Obama hasn't solved all the problems yet. C'mon, he's only been in office one year...the man went to Harvard, not Hogwarts. - Wanda Sykes

            by Cedwyn on Tue Feb 23, 2010 at 05:24:17 PM PST

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        •  You know Cedwyn, I do believe President Obama (0+ / 0-)

          knows he wont get Republican support. And I think, though some will disagree, he is showing some real wisdom in following this format.
            What he accomplishes in doing it this way is to take away the Republicans' major talking points.
            See, he's presented a working version of his plan, with PLENTY of advanced notice, three days before meeting, and has invited them to present their own plan (there is none.)
           Then he's telling them that they have a responsibility in governance too, so please work with us on badly-needed reform. If they'd only do so, a bill could pass w/o using Reconciliation. But if they don't, well they have nothing to complain about when a Reconciliation Bill is worked up (now with ONLY Democrats), and passed.
           They were given every opportunity, and then some, and because they would not participate, they left us no choice, as SOMEONE had to get the actual work of governance done!

            To me, this is a brilliant strategy, leaving the GOP holding an empty bag with a whole at the bottom!

          "We the People of the United States...." -U.S. Constitution

          by elwior on Tue Feb 23, 2010 at 02:32:07 PM PST

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