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  •  I'm curious why you believe that costs will (2+ / 0-)
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    shirah, soyinkafan

    be about the same as private insurance since Medicare is not trying to make profits for shareholders, nor are they spending tons on marketing and finally no huge executive salaries.

    •  More people, sick people, will be covered at last (1+ / 0-)
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      that's one probable cause.  Well worth it at last, as we'll get a civilized society for our money.  Right now we pay top rates for barbarism.  

      I agree, we'd also recoup corporate payouts and excess overhead.  With that and a push for best practices, I can believe that we would work the cost down to its reasonable level.  

      Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it. -George Bernard Shaw

      by soyinkafan on Tue Feb 23, 2010 at 11:29:58 PM PST

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      •  private insurers dump sick people (0+ / 0-)
        even when they have jobs, they jack up the price for their employer. The next year, they lose their job and can't find another. thats the real reason for obama's health it database!

        if you are outside of the us, you can buy data on anybody, delivered to your cell phone.

        the long term effect is to force many people to pay for insurance they cannot use. (if they don't want to lose their jobs)

        There is no solution for any of these problems except single payer, but then they lose their beloved job lock and salaries might rise a little bit.

        So they refuse to even consider it- and people who try to bring it up- (because its the only way that working Americans could ever get real healthcare again) get arrested.

        The insurers keep pushing down the "standard of care". Doctors are only required to do what others do, and that keeps becoming less and less. Basically, if you have an illness, you have to FIGHT for treatment. Its like day and night to Europe or even Latin America. Even poor people in other countries get better care than most Americans now. Because when something happens, tests get done and they figure out what is actually wrong. That means that the science is far more accurate there than here. Americans end up with serious illnesses because doctors assumed they had one thing when they actually had something completely different and often the drugs they give people excerpate people's illnesses when they are misdiagnosed, Then the whole situation gets worse because they often end up with some deep seated infection because they were given drugs that were completely the wrong choice. I have friends who now are completely screwed up for that reason. "Iatrogenic injuries".

        The fear and intimidation here creates an urealistically rosy picture of Americans health.

        They don't let people get a diagnosis. They own many of the testing firms now.  The whole system is set up to deny care.

        They need to do whatever it takes so that doctors hav more than six minutes per patient and have access to diagnostic tests they need, so they don't have to just guess to get the patient out of the door and prescribe drugs for symptoms only, never cures (the American drug industry never cures people unless it is cancer and they want literally millions of dollars for anyting that does that, sorry Senator Reid.. )
        The road we are on leads to disaster.

        The people who say we can't have single payer are pulling this country into its own real "death spiral" in which increasingly, even the rich get crappy medical care because its legally problematic to give some people better care unless you physically separate them from the others completely.

        The result is that the US medical system is being dragged into a hole by the less is more crowd. The only solution, the ONLY solution, is single payer. Because we immediately save HALF. That is money we cannot afford to spend.

        Single payer IS fiscally responsible, QUALITY affordable care for ALL. Because of adverse selection, and its death spiral, crapsurance can't EVER be.

        by Andiamo on Wed Feb 24, 2010 at 05:39:14 AM PST

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