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  •  why does USA give aid to Egypt? (none)
    And isn't aid to Egypt a bribe to keep the peace between Egypt and Israel anyway? This aid is really a further subsidy of Israel's unwillingness to make a just and lasting peace with its neighbors.
    •  Ditto for Jordan. n/t (none)
    •  Such a Simple and Succinct Question (none)
      An attempt to answer your question, Carl, could fill the Library at Alexandria. Though I know I'm not sharing anything you don't already know ...

      US policy toward Israel tends to be driven by two
      compontents:

      • the Jewish vote in the US;
      • the natural resources of the Persian Gulf.

      The current indigenous players are too numerous to mention individually, but the breakdown is:

      1. Zionists (Israeli Jews)
      2. Displaced/disposesed Arabs (Palestinians)
      3. Militarist Secular Arabs
      4. Islamic Theocrats
      5. Arab Royalists (intially propped up thru tribal connections by Brits)
      6. Arab Democrats (small club)

      All of the above have numerous representative groups, most of whom each have disparate interest. And there are a few who purport to be Islamic theocrats, but really are militaristic secularists.

      On the outside, all petroleum-importing nations have a direct or indirect economic interest in the region.

      And, no, Carl, it's not so much a bribe as it is cash to enable Mubarak to manage to govern. Without the aid, he'd be overthrown by a popular revolution that would likely be as radical, if not more so, than that of Iran in the early 1980s.

      vote early - vote often

      by wystler on Fri Jan 07, 2005 at 11:32:41 AM PST

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      •  the jewish vote in the US and oil? (none)
        do you know what a tiny percentage of votes the Us jewish population makes up?  and israel is one of the few middle east countries that doesn't have any oil, so how does supporting israel help the US vis-a-vis the enormous natural resources of the arab countries?
        •  2 complex 4u? (none)
          do you know what a tiny percentage of votes the Us jewish population makes up?

          big enough group to swing florida.

          and israel is one of the few middle east countries that doesn't have any oil

          (i can't comprehend this needs explanation, but ... nah, i'll let somebody else ... i''ve had enough of politics 101)

          vote early - vote often

          by wystler on Sat Jan 08, 2005 at 12:36:39 AM PST

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    •  um, excuse me? (none)
      So it's Israel that won't make peace with its neighbors?  Are you living on the same planet as I am?  Do you realize how many times Israel has, over the course of its short history as a nation, tried to make peace with its neighbors?  Do you realize that the reason there is no peace between Israel and its neighbors is because the arab countries, after they attacked Israel, would only sign armistice agreements, and refused to sign peace agreements?  Israel gave up the land of a country that attacked it (i.e. Egypt) in order to have peace. So I don't really understand what you mean.  I think you should blame the arab, anti-israel fanatics for the absence of peace agreements, and not israel.

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