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    So the Catholics and the Southern Baptists, two big churches down here in Texas are not included. And the last time I looked at the UMC website I found that they have an explicit anti-homosexual agenda, they will discriminate in hiring, and they want federal money to pay for their programs. And two or three years ago, I saw a commercial on cable TV in which the UCC invited gays to come to their church. I couldn't believe it, so I looked up the nearest UCC church. I live in rural Texas and the nearest church was in a small town about 40 miles south of my town. I called their pastor and told him what I had seen and asked him what he thought about the commercial. There was a pause and he said, "Whaaaaaat?" Then he said it was news to him and he would have to find out more about it. I gave him my number and asked him to call when he decided what his church would do about it. He never called.

    The Catholics and the Southern Baptists, at least down here, treat women differently than they treat men. I don't know if they think women are inferior to men, but it is clear that they think women should be subordinate to men. In fact this official attitude of female subordination in the Southern Baptist Church is one of the reasons Jimmy Carter gave for his resignation from that church in 2000.

    How do the mainline churches feel about the Great Commission? Both the SBC and the UMC, on their websites, give the Great Commission as their main reason for being. Now this seems to me to be anti-American. These two organization expressly state that they intend to make disciples of all nations. Sounds authoritarian and anti-democratic, not to mention unconstitutional. They deliberately work to deny religious freedom to everyone who is not like them.

    So I have my doubts about the mainline churches democratic tendencies. The SBC will definitely claim that it is democratic in its internal structure, but Jimmy Carter denied this position vehemently when he left. But you are the authority. I suppose that you know without doubt that the democratic forms of the mainline churches were truly democratic and not actually authoritarian, and they were the source of the ideas that flowed into our Constitution. But as you can see, I truly don't believe it.

    It is easy to claim such a connection centuries after the fact, and I suppose that if these mainline churches had no member churches in the South in 1787 then it is possible that they were uniformly democratic and consistent with constitutional principles, but I think it is not likely.

    Instead of the Constitution, the point is whether these churches inspired the Declaration and Jefferson's famous paragraph therein. Claiming that the churches inspired the Constitution is a dubious distinction. It depends on which clauses they inspired doesn't it? What did they think about the constitutional protections given to slavery? Did they support those?

    And finally, it seems to me, within the course of American history, that the fundamentalist churches, such as the UMC and the SBC, not to forget the Presbyterians, are aggressive in pursuing their political goals, but the mainline churches today follow the political winds. Maybe not. You know, I sure don't. Maybe they were leaders in 1787.

    Might and Right are always fighting, in our youth it seems exciting. Right is always nearly winning, Might can hardly keep from grinning.

    by hestal on Thu Mar 04, 2010 at 01:52:44 AM PST

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